On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Richard Nevell < [email protected]> wrote:
> I must admit 'where have you been' did not come across as rude to me. It's > something you say to an old friend when you're pleased to see them. > I do get this connotation and the double meaning if it's an intimate setting. I fear it will be lost in a banner on the top of the sites without this level of context. The audience won't be close friends or really in on the connotation, methinks. > > However, this conversation does show that the phrase carries different > connotations in different countries. As the English-language banner can't > be changed for just the UK, perhaps a different wording should be sought. > > I think changing the central notice is worthwhile to motivate people to > take part. Keeping things the same might numb the effect of the banner, so > I would encourage people to put forward their suggestions. > > > On 19 September 2013 17:39, Katie Chan <[email protected]>wrote: > >> "Where have you been" as in "what lovely places have you visited?", >> not "why haven't you uploaded anything?". >> >> On 19 September 2013 17:16, Matthew Roth Wikimedia <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > I read it as being pushy, if not rude. Maybe a British humor thing we >> don't >> > all get? >> > >> > Matthew >> > >> > Sent from a mobile communication device. >> > >> > On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Michael Maggs <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not >> work >> > in other languages. >> > >> > Michael >> > >> > On 19 Sep 2013, at 16:59, Osmar Valdebenito wrote: >> > >> > To me, it sounds very rude. >> > I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the >> > competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win... >> > >> > Osmar Valdebenito G. >> > Director Ejecutivo >> > A. C. Wikimedia Argentina >> > >> > >> > 2013/9/19 Richard Symonds <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> This sounds very sensible. >> >> >> >> Richard Symonds >> >> Wikimedia UK >> >> 0207 065 0992 >> >> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England >> and >> >> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. >> Registered >> >> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A >> 4LT. >> >> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia >> >> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation >> (who >> >> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). >> >> Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control >> >> over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> As there seems to be little international discussion about updating >> the >> >>> CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change >> the the >> >>> text for the UK (only) to >> >>> >> >>> Where have you been? Send us some photos! >> >>> >> >>> If anyone objects, please let me know. >> >>> >> >>> Michael >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki <[email protected] >> > >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the >> >>>> CentralNotice is at: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/CentralNotice >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Discussion kicks off there! >> >>> >> >>> -- Karthik. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Romaine >> >>>> >> >>>> -------------------------------------------- >> >>>> On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner >> >>>> To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" >> >>>> <[email protected]> >> >>>> Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM >> >>>> >> >>>> (oh, and ps: probably native >> >>>> countries like the US and GB work very differently than >> >>>> non-native English countries. Here participate would >> >>>> definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would >> >>>> only be confusing. But that is probably stating the >> >>>> obvious) >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> 2013/9/11 Lodewijk >> >>>> <[email protected]> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I think there are two major factors in our >> >>>> image count: >> >>>> 1) new participants, people who never edited >> >>>> before. 2) super uploaders, people with more >> >>>> than 100 images >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> The highest contribution to the number of images >> >>>> is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of >> >>>> images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany. >> >>>> The banner has primarily an influence on 1), >> >>>> which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a >> >>>> change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that >> >>>> coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly >> >>>> situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In >> >>>> some other countries, there are more banners competing even >> >>>> (like in NL, a conference banner with call for >> >>>> speakers). >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Another way than the wording, is the >> >>>> design. >> >>>> I would suggest we continue this 'what is the >> >>>> best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep >> >>>> it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for >> >>>> that? >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Lodewijk >> >>>> >> >>>> 2013/9/11 Michael >> >>>> Maggs <[email protected]> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Both >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> "Snap a snapshot for >> >>>> Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves >> >>>> Monuments" >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> are the best I >> >>>> have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as >> >>>> the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% >> >>>> ? >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Michael >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, >> >>>> Peter Ekman wrote: >> >>>> I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted >> >>>> in the last few days. It's fairly important to >> >>>> determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be >> >>>> something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation >> >>>> in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner >> >>>> display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop >> >>>> happen in most countries? We don't have full control >> >>>> over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space >> >>>> with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some >> >>>> of their displays if we ask nicely. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I do agree that changing the banner from >> >>>> time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of >> >>>> ""Participate >> >>>> in the world's largest photo-contest and >> >>>> help Wikipedia," >> >>>> would help any. The imperative verb >> >>>> "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to >> >>>> American English speakers. It suggests a high school home >> >>>> economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies >> >>>> to the annual bake-off. Something more active is >> >>>> definitely needed, something along the line (but not >> >>>> exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out >> >>>> there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get >> >>>> some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of >> >>>> attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. >> >>>> "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) >> >>>> upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments" >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> "Snap" >> >>>> might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the >> >>>> action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike >> >>>> "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic >> >>>> site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or >> >>>> maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun >> >>>> "It's a snap, Wiki Loves >> >>>> Monuments" >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I don't >> >>>> think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, >> >>>> but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up >> >>>> with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound >> >>>> bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or >> >>>> dialects should be considered separately, as translations >> >>>> are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might >> >>>> mean something entirely different in British >> >>>> English >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> PeteUser:Smallbones >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Wlm2013-l mailing list >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> http://lists.wikimedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wlm2013-l >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >> >> >> >> -- >> Katie Chan >> Volunteer Support Organiser >> Wikimedia UK >> +44 (0) 20 7065 0990 >> +44 (0) 7885 980 534 >> >> Wikimedia UK is a Charitable Company registered in England and Wales. >> Registered Company No. 6741827. 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