As one of the Wikipedians who has been adding images and commons categories to the lists of English listed buildings currently on Wikipedia I rather hope that if the lists on Wikipedia are updated from Wikidata the update will go both ways, and Wikidata will import the additional work on Wikipedia.
Regards Jonathan > On 30 Jul 2015, at 11:05, Michael Maggs <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Jane > > I've not been following closely what you're doing here, but I assume it is > the updating of the existing Wikidata items for UK listed buildings rather > than the creation of new ones? > > As part of WLM last year, we obtained updated copies of the definitive lists > from the English, Scottish, Welsh and NI listing bodies, as well as the > scheduled ancient monuments records. Magnus uploaded all of the ancient > monument and the grade I and II* listed buildings direct to Wikidata - around > 80,000 records if I remember rightly. > > We ran the WLM contest in the UK directly from these Wikidata records without > going via Wikipedia at all. The old UK monuments database dates from before > all that work. It is no longer useful and can be deleted. > > If there are inconsistencies between Wikidata and Wikipedia regarding these > lists, Wikipedia needs to be corrected/updated. > > Happy to discuss in more detail if you'd like to contact me off list. > > Michael >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> _________ ______________________________________ >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org > > Michael > >> On 30 Jul 2015, at 10:59, Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Well I think your reasoning is what has kept us from doing this, and last >> year I would have agreed with you. However, let me begin by telling a story: >> one of the problems we have with filling the WLM lists in general is that we >> have very few wiki(p/m)edians who take pictures in remote rural areas near >> their home, but oddly, we have lots and lots of wiki(p/m)edians who take >> pictures in remote rural areas while on vacation (near or not to the homes >> of other wiki(p/m)edians apparently). >> >> Today we have no unified WLM interface for wiki(p/m)edians to join WLM in >> any other language-pedia than their own, and I feel this is an unnecessary >> barrier to entry of potential WLM contributions. >> >> The advantage of using the Wikidata list items for this purpose is that you >> have some control in presentation, whereas live queries have a haphazard >> list order based on date-of-creation-of-the-Wikidata-item >> >>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Magnus Manske >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Ah, do we really want to duplicate information like this? The individual >>> items already have "heritage status: Grade I listed structure" or somesuch. >>> Manually curating a list on Q6646074 seems pointless when we can >>> auto-generate it. >>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:00 AM Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> So now, for the Birmingham list (first link in the mail below), I added >>>> the first few monuments to the Wikidata item for this list here: >>>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6646074 >>>> >>>> I used "has part" but maybe there should be a property "list item" or >>>> somesuch thing? >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: Jane Darnell <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 1:03 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Moving monuments database to Wikidata >>>> To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> OK I am now looking at your Q number Q5642705 and I see that it is a hall, >>>> so I expect it to be an instance of hall, but it's not and it's an >>>> instance of architectural structure. This item has an enwiki Wikipedia >>>> article and when I click what links here I see the WLM list here: >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listed_buildings_in_Birmingham >>>> Here I see only 4 columns - name, grade, date and architect >>>> >>>> An item that is also a hall in NL is a water board building called a >>>> gemeenlandshuis. Here is an example item >>>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2847105 >>>> This is an instance of gemeenlandshuis which in turn is a subclass of hall. >>>> >>>> On the Dutch Wikipedia when I click what links here I see the link to the >>>> WLM list here: >>>> https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_rijksmonumenten_in_Haarlemmerliede_en_Spaarnwoude >>>> This list has eight columns - name, original function, date, architect, >>>> location, coordinates, WLM ID, photo >>>> >>>> The column headings should be coming from the monuments database, and the >>>> original function should be the reason the object made it into the WLM >>>> list. >>>> >>>> I think both of these items should be part of a corresponding list on >>>> Wikidata. When I click what links here on Wikidata I see nothing that >>>> takes me to WLM. The only clue is the property P1435 for the British Q and >>>> property P359 for the Dutch Q. >>>> >>>> Maybe we should augment the corresponding list items with their members so >>>> that when you click what links here you are taken to the Q number of of >>>> the list item? This effectively migrates the lists to Wikidata >>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Andy Mabbett >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> On 26 July 2015 at 07:42, Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > So such wikipedia articles should be labelled " instance of" <the name >>>>> > of >>>>> > your identifier used in WLM>. >>>>> >>>>> I believe that method has been deprecated, and it is preferred to use >>>>> a property P1435 ("heritage status" in English): >>>>> >>>>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1435 >>>>> >>>>> as done, for example, on: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5642705 >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Andy Mabbett >>>>> @pigsonthewing >>>>> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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