Dear Jane, When it comes to monuments as in many things the UK is a federation. Michael was referring to the four different national bodies that the "English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish" lists will have come from.
Regards Jonathan > On 30 Jul 2015, at 11:19, Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote: > > Michael, > I guess I don't quite follow you. When you say "English, Scottish, Welsh and > NI" are you referring to different languages? Are all items available for WLM > participation through a mobile "nearby" feature during the month of september > to english and welsh speakers? > > To be clear, I am just a WLM participant and will not update any other lists > - I just made those edits to illustrate my argument for using the Wikidata > list items (which don't seem to serve any purpose right now). > Jane > >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Michael Maggs <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi Jane >> >> I've not been following closely what you're doing here, but I assume it is >> the updating of the existing Wikidata items for UK listed buildings rather >> than the creation of new ones? >> >> As part of WLM last year, we obtained updated copies of the definitive lists >> from the English, Scottish, Welsh and NI listing bodies, as well as the >> scheduled ancient monuments records. Magnus uploaded all of the ancient >> monument and the grade I and II* listed buildings direct to Wikidata - >> around 80,000 records if I remember rightly. >> >> We ran the WLM contest in the UK directly from these Wikidata records >> without going via Wikipedia at all. The old UK monuments database dates from >> before all that work. It is no longer useful and can be deleted. >> >> If there are inconsistencies between Wikidata and Wikipedia regarding these >> lists, Wikipedia needs to be corrected/updated. >> >> Happy to discuss in more detail if you'd like to contact me off list. >> >> Michael >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _________ ______________________________________ >>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >> >> Michael >> >>> On 30 Jul 2015, at 10:59, Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Well I think your reasoning is what has kept us from doing this, and last >>> year I would have agreed with you. However, let me begin by telling a >>> story: one of the problems we have with filling the WLM lists in general is >>> that we have very few wiki(p/m)edians who take pictures in remote rural >>> areas near their home, but oddly, we have lots and lots of wiki(p/m)edians >>> who take pictures in remote rural areas while on vacation (near or not to >>> the homes of other wiki(p/m)edians apparently). >>> >>> Today we have no unified WLM interface for wiki(p/m)edians to join WLM in >>> any other language-pedia than their own, and I feel this is an unnecessary >>> barrier to entry of potential WLM contributions. >>> >>> The advantage of using the Wikidata list items for this purpose is that you >>> have some control in presentation, whereas live queries have a haphazard >>> list order based on date-of-creation-of-the-Wikidata-item >>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Magnus Manske >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Ah, do we really want to duplicate information like this? The individual >>>> items already have "heritage status: Grade I listed structure" or >>>> somesuch. Manually curating a list on Q6646074 seems pointless when we can >>>> auto-generate it. >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:00 AM Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> So now, for the Birmingham list (first link in the mail below), I added >>>>> the first few monuments to the Wikidata item for this list here: >>>>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6646074 >>>>> >>>>> I used "has part" but maybe there should be a property "list item" or >>>>> somesuch thing? >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: Jane Darnell <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 1:03 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Moving monuments database to Wikidata >>>>> To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> OK I am now looking at your Q number Q5642705 and I see that it is a >>>>> hall, so I expect it to be an instance of hall, but it's not and it's an >>>>> instance of architectural structure. This item has an enwiki Wikipedia >>>>> article and when I click what links here I see the WLM list here: >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listed_buildings_in_Birmingham >>>>> Here I see only 4 columns - name, grade, date and architect >>>>> >>>>> An item that is also a hall in NL is a water board building called a >>>>> gemeenlandshuis. Here is an example item >>>>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2847105 >>>>> This is an instance of gemeenlandshuis which in turn is a subclass of >>>>> hall. >>>>> >>>>> On the Dutch Wikipedia when I click what links here I see the link to the >>>>> WLM list here: >>>>> https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_rijksmonumenten_in_Haarlemmerliede_en_Spaarnwoude >>>>> This list has eight columns - name, original function, date, architect, >>>>> location, coordinates, WLM ID, photo >>>>> >>>>> The column headings should be coming from the monuments database, and the >>>>> original function should be the reason the object made it into the WLM >>>>> list. >>>>> >>>>> I think both of these items should be part of a corresponding list on >>>>> Wikidata. When I click what links here on Wikidata I see nothing that >>>>> takes me to WLM. The only clue is the property P1435 for the British Q >>>>> and property P359 for the Dutch Q. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe we should augment the corresponding list items with their members >>>>> so that when you click what links here you are taken to the Q number of >>>>> of the list item? This effectively migrates the lists to Wikidata >>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Andy Mabbett >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> On 26 July 2015 at 07:42, Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > So such wikipedia articles should be labelled " instance of" <the >>>>>> > name of >>>>>> > your identifier used in WLM>. >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe that method has been deprecated, and it is preferred to use >>>>>> a property P1435 ("heritage status" in English): >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1435 >>>>>> >>>>>> as done, for example, on: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5642705 >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Andy Mabbett >>>>>> @pigsonthewing >>>>>> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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