I am not sure how the Italian WLM works, but I believe they do still attract newbies to the competition. I am not sure about their proportion of "casual uploaders/experienced uploaders" but we haven't seen figures either way there.
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 24 August 2015 at 12:08, Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote: > I think you misunderstand me. What I meant to say is that though the impact > of no banner might be great, it is not so great as it would be for those > countries who can attract newbies to the competition. The Italian situation > is so complicated that I don't think their proportion of "casual > uploaders/experienced uploaders" is the same as for other countries, ergo, > the banner would be less of an issue, though still an issue. > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Romaine Wiki <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi Jane, > > Yes, Italy is one of those odd countries without freedom of panorama. The > > copyright on photos of monuments is held by local governments. Wikimedia > > Italy has as large task to get permission from these hundreds/thousands > > local administrations for the photos uploaded. Therefore organising Wiki > > Loves Monuments in Italy is a very very heavy and extensive task in > > comparison with other countries. The Italian Wiki Loves Monuments team > does > > a great job in getting all the permissions. > > > > You can't derive from the situation that there is no FoP, that thus the > > impact won't be too great. Te kort door de bocht. > > > > Romaine > > > > 2015-08-24 12:19 GMT+02:00 Jane Darnell <[email protected]>: > > > >> Isn't Italy one of those odd European countries that won't allow freedom > >> of panorama? Surely the impact won't be too great, considering that the > >> type of people who can participate are at least savvy enough to > understand > >> the oddities of the Italian monuments situation & Commons. Italy was > late > >> to join the WLM party for this reason, and I understand it is only > specific > >> municipalities that take part now. > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Romaine Wiki <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Giving Wiki Loves Monuments the worst possible situation is certainly > >>> not a compromise, but a situation in what users from the community are > >>> crushed under the weight of the foundation. A compromise is, according > to > >>> the dictionary, a situation in what both parties concede something. In > this > >>> case, WLM concedes everything and WMF nothing. > >>> I have seen already users asking if this will be the next big clash > >>> between WMF and the community, after the VisualEditor, MediaViewer, > >>> Superprotect and other issues. I personally hope not. > >>> > >>> You are of course free to think how much negative impact it will have, > >>> but I base my numbers on the statistics from the past years. We have > seen > >>> each time a big influence from conflicting banners or outage. We have > >>> followed the statistics and the impact of past years and we have > learned > >>> from the past that it has a big impact we certainly should not > >>> underestimate. > >>> > >>> And I disagree with your statement that there always will be a clash > >>> somewhere. There is no need for a clash if people work together on the > >>> planning. September is not the only month in autumn, and not all > countries > >>> are occupied by Wiki Loves Monuments. Suggesting otherwise are fairy > tales. > >>> This is one of the strongest examples of bad planning I have seen in > all > >>> the years. Of every country that organises Wiki Loves Monuments, they > have > >>> picked the worst possible country. > >>> > >>> You reduce this problem to just a "number of emotive emails", with what > >>> you make clear you missed the essence of this case. > >>> > >>> Romaine > >>> > >>> 2015-08-24 10:53 GMT+02:00 Chris Keating <[email protected]>: > >>> > >>>> Hi Romaine, > >>>> > >>>> > And the outcome is ridiculous. This is not a compromise. The Italian > >>>> WLM > >>>> > team has been crashed under the weight and preponderance of the > >>>> Wikimedia > >>>> > Foundation. > >>>> > >>>> Well - it *is* a compromise. It isn't what you want and I think I > >>>> understand your reasons for thinking it will have a very big impact. I > >>>> know > >>>> from plenty of past experience of being a volunteer disagreeing with > WMF > >>>> staff how frustrating this is (though actually I think the impact on > >>>> WLM > >>>> will be less than you expect in this case). > >>>> > >>>> But it is plainly not the case that the WMF has just blundered ahead > >>>> with > >>>> what it was going to do anyway. And even if WMF were not involved at > all > >>>> and there were some other method of allocating banner space, if Autumn > >>>> has > >>>> the peak fundraising potential and is when WLM happens, there will > >>>> always > >>>> be some kind of clash somewhere, and someone or other will not get > what > >>>> they want. No number of emotive emails will change that. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> Chris > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> < > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/[email protected] > > > >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > >>>> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > >>> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > >> http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> >
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