Not sure how to measure this, but it would be interesting for our stats if we COULD measure this. I define a casual uploader as someone who comes to the upload wizard through the WLM easy upload link from a Wikipedia page rather than some other way.
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 1:11 PM, Richard Symonds < richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: > I am not sure how the Italian WLM works, but I believe they do still > attract newbies to the competition. I am not sure about their proportion > of "casual > uploaders/experienced uploaders" but we haven't seen figures either way > there. > > Richard Symonds > Wikimedia UK > 0207 065 0992 > > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). > > *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control > over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* > > On 24 August 2015 at 12:08, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I think you misunderstand me. What I meant to say is that though the >> impact >> of no banner might be great, it is not so great as it would be for those >> countries who can attract newbies to the competition. The Italian >> situation >> is so complicated that I don't think their proportion of "casual >> uploaders/experienced uploaders" is the same as for other countries, ergo, >> the banner would be less of an issue, though still an issue. >> >> On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Romaine Wiki <romaine.w...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Hi Jane, >> > Yes, Italy is one of those odd countries without freedom of panorama. >> The >> > copyright on photos of monuments is held by local governments. Wikimedia >> > Italy has as large task to get permission from these hundreds/thousands >> > local administrations for the photos uploaded. Therefore organising Wiki >> > Loves Monuments in Italy is a very very heavy and extensive task in >> > comparison with other countries. The Italian Wiki Loves Monuments team >> does >> > a great job in getting all the permissions. >> > >> > You can't derive from the situation that there is no FoP, that thus the >> > impact won't be too great. Te kort door de bocht. >> > >> > Romaine >> > >> > 2015-08-24 12:19 GMT+02:00 Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com>: >> > >> >> Isn't Italy one of those odd European countries that won't allow >> freedom >> >> of panorama? Surely the impact won't be too great, considering that the >> >> type of people who can participate are at least savvy enough to >> understand >> >> the oddities of the Italian monuments situation & Commons. Italy was >> late >> >> to join the WLM party for this reason, and I understand it is only >> specific >> >> municipalities that take part now. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Romaine Wiki <romaine.w...@gmail.com >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Giving Wiki Loves Monuments the worst possible situation is certainly >> >>> not a compromise, but a situation in what users from the community are >> >>> crushed under the weight of the foundation. A compromise is, >> according to >> >>> the dictionary, a situation in what both parties concede something. >> In this >> >>> case, WLM concedes everything and WMF nothing. >> >>> I have seen already users asking if this will be the next big clash >> >>> between WMF and the community, after the VisualEditor, MediaViewer, >> >>> Superprotect and other issues. I personally hope not. >> >>> >> >>> You are of course free to think how much negative impact it will have, >> >>> but I base my numbers on the statistics from the past years. We have >> seen >> >>> each time a big influence from conflicting banners or outage. We have >> >>> followed the statistics and the impact of past years and we have >> learned >> >>> from the past that it has a big impact we certainly should not >> >>> underestimate. >> >>> >> >>> And I disagree with your statement that there always will be a clash >> >>> somewhere. There is no need for a clash if people work together on the >> >>> planning. September is not the only month in autumn, and not all >> countries >> >>> are occupied by Wiki Loves Monuments. Suggesting otherwise are fairy >> tales. >> >>> This is one of the strongest examples of bad planning I have seen in >> all >> >>> the years. Of every country that organises Wiki Loves Monuments, they >> have >> >>> picked the worst possible country. >> >>> >> >>> You reduce this problem to just a "number of emotive emails", with >> what >> >>> you make clear you missed the essence of this case. >> >>> >> >>> Romaine >> >>> >> >>> 2015-08-24 10:53 GMT+02:00 Chris Keating <chriskeatingw...@gmail.com >> >: >> >>> >> >>>> Hi Romaine, >> >>>> >> >>>> > And the outcome is ridiculous. This is not a compromise. The >> Italian >> >>>> WLM >> >>>> > team has been crashed under the weight and preponderance of the >> >>>> Wikimedia >> >>>> > Foundation. >> >>>> >> >>>> Well - it *is* a compromise. It isn't what you want and I think I >> >>>> understand your reasons for thinking it will have a very big impact. >> I >> >>>> know >> >>>> from plenty of past experience of being a volunteer disagreeing with >> WMF >> >>>> staff how frustrating this is (though actually I think the impact on >> >>>> WLM >> >>>> will be less than you expect in this case). >> >>>> >> >>>> But it is plainly not the case that the WMF has just blundered ahead >> >>>> with >> >>>> what it was going to do anyway. And even if WMF were not involved at >> all >> >>>> and there were some other method of allocating banner space, if >> Autumn >> >>>> has >> >>>> the peak fundraising potential and is when WLM happens, there will >> >>>> always >> >>>> be some kind of clash somewhere, and someone or other will not get >> what >> >>>> they want. 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