I think that I have raised this issue back in September, and at that
time Mr. Lodewijk told me that Commons admins are special people who are
not supposed to read and check anything. They simply delete an image if
they want to do so, while the rest of the community should shut up and
comply. I am not sure whether Mr. Lodewijk is going to reconsider his
opinion now, but at least it is good to see that others find such
behavior of Commons admins detrimental.
Regarding our own license checks, we of course do that for Russian WLM,
and we also tried to take care of no-FoP images by systematically
tagging them and transferring them to other projects under fair use.
However, we quickly found out that Commons admins take advantage of this
process and delete the images before we have a chance to transfer them
(the notorious sysop Jcb was also part of that story). From that point
on, we had to adopt a different strategy and make sure that no-FoP
images simply stay on Commons, because there is no reasonable way to
organize the file transfer without the danger of having the files
deleted before the transfer occurs.
More generally, I am sure that the Commons community has to reconsider
their attitude toward the WLM photos. These photos are not regular
uploads, and there are always people who are ready to take care of them
if problems occur. It will be very natural if WLM organizers get
notified about potential problems and have their say before(!) the files
are nominated for deletion. I believe that the international organizers
should seriously push forward this idea. Otherwise, we can easily face a
situation when all winning photos are inconspicuously deleted under
weird pretexts like 'no license', and none of us would even understand
what happened, because files have been deleted, and all evidence lost.
Sincerely,
Alexander
On 30.01.2017 17:28, Lodewijk wrote:
Thanks!
OK, so in this case the information was apparently removed
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:%EB%B4%84%EC%9D%B4_%EC%98%A8_%EC%88%98%EC%9B%90_%ED%99%94%EC%84%B1.jpg&diff=prev&oldid=230157217>by
someone unrelated to the author - very odd - and deleted by an admin
without further checking. I restored the image on the list of winners.
The general question for best practices stands though - especially
given the deletions that sometimes happen with regards to freedom of
panorama. It would be nice if we could at least catch those earlier.
Best,
Lodewijk
2017-01-30 17:17 GMT+01:00 Ciell Wikipedia <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>:
I restored the image, the info still there in the history.
Ciell
2017-01-30 17:07 GMT+01:00 Lodewijk <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>:
People can also upload images manually. As I'm no longer an
admin, I can't check the history of the file - and there was
no page with deletion request created. The recent file I
noticed was 봄이_온_수원_화성.jpg
Best,
Lodewijk
2017-01-30 17:06 GMT+01:00 Alexander Tsirlin
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>:
The WLM upload wizard adds the cc-by-sa-4.0 license
automatically. Therefore, it is hard to imagine that a WLM
photo had no license. It rather means that someone removed
the license, and then someone else deleted the file. Was
it the case here?
Sincerely,
Alexander
On 30.01.2017 11:51, Lodewijk wrote:
Hey all,
As I noted that two of the national nominees have been
deleted after their nomination, I was curious, are there
any process improvements we could consider to avoid this
to some extent?
I would be curious to hear some best practices that
countries have implemented to check for formalities. For
example, I noted that one image from Korea was deleted
apparently because the licese was missing. I'm guessing
that this is something we could check for semi-automated.
Are there countries that do this?
I do some manual checking for the top-50 internationally,
just before we enter the final round. But it is very hard
to scale that, and it eats up a lot of time. Any other
ideas?
Best,
Lodewijk
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