Anyway I was, and I'm still oppose to anticipated election. Since the beginning of the
discussion about WCA bylaws , the question of "do we need a chair and a vice
chair" hasn't been fixed, and I'm sorry to tell that provoking new election before
fixing this point is just bad.
Jan-Bart in a previous mail made the good comment that we should stop
discussing about membership and voting, but the question here is really about
what is the WCA.
Several chapters ask for an Iberocoop model, it means that they don't want a
chair and a vice chair. The people present in London can argue that at least
some position should exist to assure that coordination is done, but the 7
present in London cannot decide for 14 others. By deciding to anticipate the
election of the chair it's just what you have done.
In your answer you talk about WMF board asking directly or indirectly for your
replacement. This argument has been read in the personal comment of board
member, and all chapter are aware of that and will take it into account, or
not, when the time will come. But we don't need your resignation now whereas
the new election is already planned in just two month, the few week of
difference will not affect the WCA. Also if you are personally disputed by
people outside the chapter, the vice chair is at least equally disputed among
the chapter, what's the most important?
Finally I will point that WCA is representing 21 chapters for now, and most of those chapters are
really tired of discussion in english on meta, asking them to have a "campaign" and a
vote online whereas we can have a live vote in Milano is just another way to say "we don't
care of you".
WCA is needed, but is not needed tomorrow , it's needed when all chapter will
participate and make it grow, and we won't have that unless we find the seed
action that will make all chapter willing to support is growth, and sorry this
is not this list
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Meetings/2013-07#Session_3:_Actions.2C_engagement
that will change the actual dynamic.
I'm not a magician, I don't have a ready to use solution, but what I'm sure, is
that the very first step should be an open discussion between chapters about
what is the WCA is, and for that purpose I created this page, to build a survey
among chapters:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/survey_march_2013
I invite all interested people to participate to the creation of this survey.
In a second time the same type of survey should be open to the whole movement,
but because the WCA is the CHAPTER ASSOCIATION, I think it's reasonable to
first know what the first concerned people think.
Cheers
Charles
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Le 20 févr. 2013 à 09:25, Fae <[email protected]> a écrit :
On 20 February 2013 07:57, Charles Andrès <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello Ziko,
Because you want to hear:
1)Their is no census within the chapter whether we still want a deputy chair
position
It's better for us to focus on the actions we are taking for the next
3 months. We decided to defer discussion about changing roles and
considering a board, or changing the titles we currently use. Any
member of the Council is welcome to draft a resolution or discuss
alternatives, but this will draw the oxygen away from being seen to
make progress on solid outcomes, rather than internal affairs.
2)if we keep a chair and a deputy chair, it has always been planned that this
position should be open to vote at the next WCA meeting
It was my decision, made after private discussions with Ting and SJ,
apparently in response Jimmy Wales raising this for the WMF board's
attention immediately after my English Wikipedia ban and before the
end of the summer conference in Washington DC, to ensure that we would
have an election this spring for the Chair position in a more formal
and structured way. Though our vote was valid, I was never very happy
at being elected without competition or much discussion. For that
reason I was not prepared to just stay in position for 2 years. You
will recall that for the Deputy Chair position, there was a
competition and discussion so I believe this had a firmer sense of
democracy.
3) 7 council member connote decide on their own of keeping in place the deputy
chair!!
Similarly, this was no a decision that was ever tabled or considered necessary.
4)The WCA do not need continuity, since ten month we haven't been able to
provide something real , I don't see why we should continue this way
We chose to radically re-frame our plans. We have done this in a way
that does not require resolutions or complex bureaucracy to move
forward. I don't see how asking Ziko to go through an election process
now, helps demonstrate that we are taking an external focus. The
election process for Chair is a different matter, it was always
planned for March and I have chosen to bring this forward based on the
continued private approaches to the Council from 5 WMF trustees since
my election, who were not happy with the WCA having me as our elected
Chair, though the WMF itself has no public position on this matter.
Thanks,
Fae
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