On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Huib Laurens <[email protected]> wrote: > Tillman, > > For the record, the time between your e-mail and my request why the rights > where removed is FOUR days.
That's a completely wrong statement. I emailed you as soon as I removed you from the wikimedia-blog list. > So yes. I stay by my claim I had to find > information myself. And showing the mails its visible that Jay didn't know > about the fact you removed me either. Which happened four months later. I guess we will have to accept your criticism that Jay does not possess clairvoyant powers ;) > So NO you didn't leave me a note when > you did it. I get your note four days later. Again you appear to be at least confusing things here, if not making them up outright. > > Other volunteers also said they where removed, and I will not post that > kind of e-mails online. But on the other mailing threat there you can read > it yourself also. > > When I was placed on the Wikimedia Blog I was already blocked by the Dutch > Wikipedia, That was no problem for Jay, Erik or the other people I worked > with? When I was blocked on the dutch Wikipedia I was also a moderator on > Commons, Meta, Incubator and a Member of the LangCOM and the LiCOM. > > So now your saying: You where / are blocked so you can't be trusted? I > guess that makes you a complete asshole. Since the blocks and NL.wiki and > lots of other wiki's are made of complete bullshit. Well, as I said in my Nov 2011 email, I did not want to pass judgment on your edits on other wikis, mainly because I hadn't fully read the discussions reading to these blocks. But let's link those on Meta, so others can make up their mind whether they were "bullshit": https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Abigor https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Global/2011-07#Global_lock_for_Abigor https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Global/2011-01#Global_block_and_lock_for_user:Abigor Regarding "no problem for Jay, Erik or the other people I worked with", the first link has a comment by Philippe where he says that you "deception ... certainly shatters any expectation of trust with me". > > > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Tilman Bayer <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Huib, >> >> thanks for correcting your earlier claim in the main thread that you >> were never notified about this kind of thing (although unfortunately >> this correction comes only after your claim already contributed to >> leaving MZ "a little speechless" and feeling "more and more ... >> distanced from" Wikimedia). >> >> I can confirm that this is the text of an email I sent you on November >> 16, 2011 when removing you from what was originally the blog comment >> moderators list - with one crucial difference however: >> >> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Huib Laurens <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Hi Huib, >> > >> > we are currently reorganizing the internal communication about the >> > Foundation's blog, and in the process have just removed your >> subscription. >> > The list is going to see more confidential information in the future, and >> > we want to focus membership more on people who need to know it. >> >> Curiously, here you left out one sentence from my 2011 email: >> >> "And while I don't want to pass judgment over your work on the >> projects, the fact that you are currently blocked on Meta etc. makes >> it difficult to justify keeping your access at the moment." >> >> >> > I want to >> > emphasize that this has nothing to do with your conduct as list member, >> and >> > that your interest in and support for the WMF blog (e.g. tweeting new >> > posts) is appreciated. You can still send messages to the list, they will >> > just need to go through moderation. >> > >> > -- >> > Tilman Bayer >> > Movement Communications >> > Wikimedia Foundation >> > IRC (Freenode): HaeB >> > >> > >> > Strange that the blog is "internal" communications. >> >> You mean that https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-blog >> is not a public mailing list? It is my understanding that it was >> originally created solely as a channel of notifications about new blog >> comments that needed to be moderated; these obviously should not be >> public. Later there were efforts to make it more into a venue of >> internal coordination about the blog, although these did not quite pan >> out. >> >> > >> > Even stranger is that Erik asked to create my account, he was completly >> ok >> > with it. So I'm not sure what the information on the blog is so secret >> that >> > no volunteers can see it... >> >> Actually, you were the only volunteer removed at that point in 2011 - >> there were at least four volunteers who I think are still on the list. >> As indicated in the part of my email that you chose to quietly >> suppress, a main reason to handle your case differently was that you >> were at that time indefinitely blocked by the community on more than >> one wiki (to cite the block log entry from nlwiki: "Abusing multiple >> accounts: general project disruption and cross-wiki disruption; trying >> to evade bans on other projects, running unapproved bots and so on. >> block per RfC and cu evidence." ) >> >> The fact that you are now trying to make your case by posting tampered >> emails reinforces my confidence that it was the right decision to >> remove you from this position of trust. >> >> -- >> Tilman Bayer >> Senior Operations Analyst (Movement Communications) >> Wikimedia Foundation >> IRC (Freenode): HaeB >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >> > > > > -- > Met vriendelijke groet, > > Huib Laurens > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Tilman Bayer Senior Operations Analyst (Movement Communications) Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
