Given that the deadline for the list moderators passed several days
ago, may be could voluntarily stop at this point with the thread and not
really try to figure out whether moderators are needed?
Cheers
Yaroslav
On 13.05.2013 13:57, Huib Laurens wrote:
I take the asshole back. Sorry for that... Again, if I feel attacked
I
will attack back.
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Craig Franklin
<[email protected]>wrote:
All other things aside, misspelling the person's name and then
calling them
an "asshole" is hardly likely to lead to an amicable solution, peace,
love,
or understanding, is it?
On 13 May 2013 21:09, Huib Laurens <[email protected]> wrote:
Tillman,
For the record, the time between your e-mail and my request why the
rights
where removed is FOUR days. So yes. I stay by my claim I had to find
information myself. And showing the mails its visible that Jay
didn't
know
about the fact you removed me either. So NO you didn't leave me a
note
when
you did it. I get your note four days later.
Other volunteers also said they where removed, and I will not post
that
kind of e-mails online. But on the other mailing threat there you
can
read
it yourself also.
When I was placed on the Wikimedia Blog I was already blocked by the
Dutch
Wikipedia, That was no problem for Jay, Erik or the other people I
worked
with? When I was blocked on the dutch Wikipedia I was also a
moderator on
Commons, Meta, Incubator and a Member of the LangCOM and the LiCOM.
So now your saying: You where / are blocked so you can't be trusted?
I
guess that makes you a complete asshole. Since the blocks and
NL.wiki and
lots of other wiki's are made of complete bullshit.
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Tilman Bayer <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi Huib,
thanks for correcting your earlier claim in the main thread that
you
were never notified about this kind of thing (although
unfortunately
this correction comes only after your claim already contributed to
leaving MZ "a little speechless" and feeling "more and more ...
distanced from" Wikimedia).
I can confirm that this is the text of an email I sent you on
November
16, 2011 when removing you from what was originally the blog
comment
moderators list - with one crucial difference however:
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Huib Laurens <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi Huib,
we are currently reorganizing the internal communication about the
Foundation's blog, and in the process have just removed your
subscription.
The list is going to see more confidential information in the
future,
and
we want to focus membership more on people who need to know it.
Curiously, here you left out one sentence from my 2011 email:
"And while I don't want to pass judgment over your work on the
projects, the fact that you are currently blocked on Meta etc.
makes
it difficult to justify keeping your access at the moment."
I want to
emphasize that this has nothing to do with your conduct as list
member,
and
that your interest in and support for the WMF blog (e.g. tweeting
new
posts) is appreciated. You can still send messages to the list,
they
will
just need to go through moderation.
--
Tilman Bayer
Movement Communications
Wikimedia Foundation
IRC (Freenode): HaeB
Strange that the blog is "internal" communications.
You mean that
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-blog
is not a public mailing list? It is my understanding that it was
originally created solely as a channel of notifications about new
blog
comments that needed to be moderated; these obviously should not be
public. Later there were efforts to make it more into a venue of
internal coordination about the blog, although these did not quite
pan
out.
Even stranger is that Erik asked to create my account, he was
completly
ok
with it. So I'm not sure what the information on the blog is so
secret
that
no volunteers can see it...
Actually, you were the only volunteer removed at that point in 2011
-
there were at least four volunteers who I think are still on the
list.
As indicated in the part of my email that you chose to quietly
suppress, a main reason to handle your case differently was that
you
were at that time indefinitely blocked by the community on more
than
one wiki (to cite the block log entry from nlwiki: "Abusing
multiple
accounts: general project disruption and cross-wiki disruption;
trying
to evade bans on other projects, running unapproved bots and so on.
block per RfC and cu evidence." )
The fact that you are now trying to make your case by posting
tampered
emails reinforces my confidence that it was the right decision to
remove you from this position of trust.
--
Tilman Bayer
Senior Operations Analyst (Movement Communications)
Wikimedia Foundation
IRC (Freenode): HaeB
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