Employees have a separate wiki specifically for employee things. The
foundationwiki is different from that, serving as a forefront to the
movement itself, something which we are all a part of - and that admin
access should be reflecting people's specific type of association with
the movement doesn't seem to be a decided fact.
On 13/05/13 07:59, Jane Darnell wrote:
I can sympathize with the issue, namely, that it would be nice if only
Foundation employees could be allowed admin access on their own wiki.
I recall a similar issue (which was not so widely blown up) for our
WMNL board wiki in the Netherlands (and yes Phoebe, that is a very
boring wiki). I find it interesting to read Gayle's reaction, but I
don't think she should have apologized.
The way the community interacts with newbies is unforgiveable, period.
This is a perfect example of the reason that many women will go away
after their first few edits, or they grow some sort of special magic
Wikipedia filter. Even if she was just the messenger and it was
Philippe's idea, as far as the reactions to Gayle go, I agree with
Philippe's "it's often damn hard to wade into these waters...", but I
would rather conclude with "Staff members are Wikipedians too."
And don't get me started on the concept of "higher standards"!!
2013/5/13, phoebe ayers <phoebe.w...@gmail.com>:
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
<nemow...@gmail.com>wrote:
Casey Brown, 13/05/2013 07:05:
[...] [Note that I'm speaking generally -- I personally think Gayle can
handle criticism and she seems very nice. She also probably had no
idea this would create dramz. My comment is directed towards the
general "omg think of the staff member!" response to criticism that is
systemic in our movement.]
Still, "omg think of the staff member!" seems to be the point Gayle and
Philippe make on this thread. If history teaches something, I guess the
board will soon approve a resolution to request the development of a
Personal Communitymember Filter to AT LAST hide all that offensive content
in our community. MediaWiki-mailman integration offers some challenges,
but
our commitment to openness will swiftly help, shutting down more mailing
lists in favour of wiki discussions.
Nemo
Au contraire, I feel we should all earn some kind of barnstar just for
participating in this discussion/situation. You know, it's kind of the
ultimate Wikimedian tempest: arguing over who gets to add users and delete
pages on what is quite possibly the world's most boring wiki[1]...
It's also a quintessentially Wikimedian debate because there's all this
subtext -- assumed but not articulated -- that isn't minor at all: about
community ownership versus corporate control, about who has authority to
make decisions in what sphere, about the role volunteers play in the
organization, over what personal reputation means on the projects, over
what admin rights mean, what kind of work environment the staff have, etc..
I'm gonna take a stab in the dark here and guess that Gayle wasn't
intending to start a debate on all these big important topics, or even
perhaps to comment on them at all. I'm also gonna say from experience that
it's often damn hard to wade into these waters and take an action *without*
touching off a debate on all these subjects. As someone said upthread, the
golden rule does help, as does practice working with the wiki way, and
knowing all the personal ins and outs of Wikimedia and our arcane culture.
But *even that* doesn't always save someone from making an unpopular
decision, or from screwing up or not thinking through all the ways they
might be wading into a minefield -- and that goes for all of us, staff,
board, & community alike. Hey, ask me how I know.
Sheesh, being part of the world's biggest collaborative project is hard
sometimes.
-- phoebe
1. I exempt, of course, the internal wiki at my workplace, which has won
the crown many years running.
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