On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:56 AM, David Goodman <dgge...@gmail.com> wrote: > Basically, you (in the plural) thought you could do better than the > consensus, and therefore simply without rejecting it , did not implement it > while you tried other things first. All these trials would have been > good, ''had they been done before implementation.'' I am waiting for > someone from the foundation to come out and agree to that, a recognition > that the error was that they needed to be done first.
Hi David, I'm a little bit lost as to what you're referring to here, is this about the decision to not reinstate the orange notifications bar after the Echo rollout? If so, I already clarified [1] that I felt that we didn't do a good job recognizing the likely impact of this change earlier and addressing it more systematically upfront. We've since implemented a compromise, and work is continuing to iterate on this and other aspects of the new notifications system. In general, for features rollouts (and if we want to talk more about this, we should really split the thread), my recommendation is to adopt a beta->production mode switch similar to the mobile site, which will give us a generalized way to test new features with users who are willing to do so, while not committing us to provide an opt-out preference or mode switch for every new feature (which, while an easy way to appease upset users, is also a recipe for technical debt). Had Echo been available in beta on en.wp for a while before being activated, I think the rollout could have been a lot smoother. All best, Erik [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Notifications&diff=prev&oldid=553547662 -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l