On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Kevin Wayne Williams < [email protected]> wrote:
> Op 2013/08/06 7:55, Martijn Hoekstra schreef: > >> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Kevin Wayne Williams < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Their argument for >>> 'opt-out' is based solely upon the quality and quantity of testing that >>> it >>> affords to VE. VE is not a mission-critical feature: while we have >>> concerns >>> about Wikipedia's sustainability, there's no question that it has >>> survived >>> for years and will survive for years more. The stability of the site is >>> much more important than testing this code, and the testing strategy of >>> presenting it as if it was functioning software and seeing what people >>> did >>> with it wasn't a reasonable decision: it was completely and absolutely >>> irresponsible. >>> >>> >>> Opt-out with a beta or experimental notice (as it is now when enabled on >> en.wiki) doesn't seem to have the problem of presenting it if it were >> mature software you present as the pivotal problem in this post. >> > Their deployment strategy (not labeling the software as beta on the user > interface, changing the function of the existing buttons, no warning when > the software was entered, deploying it to new editors that had no chance of > having seen notices about it) hinged on getting the unwary and uninformed > to press the "edit" button without realizing what they were getting into. > Saying that it is reasonable *now* doesn't excuse the five weeks that > preceded it. > > KWW No, and I'm very concerned about the deployment as it happened, as well as its immediate aftermath. I believe those are incredibly important and hard discussions we as a movement (and that includes you, WMF employees!) have to have, lest things go this wrong in the future again. I find the discussion on having opt-in or opt-out in the current situation where the button is clearly marked as beta to be unimportant or even trivial in comparison, and think that if we keep talking about the last implementation disagreements, we are taking attention away from the issue that should be discussed, which is how we can avoid a fiasco like this the next time. --Martijn > > ______________________________**_________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > [email protected].**org <[email protected]> > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l>, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@**lists.wikimedia.org<[email protected]> > ?subject=**unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
