Sorry, but I didn't say that everone, but me, is wrong. I said that I believe that you are wrong concerning this question.
Regards, Lars Gardenius ________________________________ Von: Steven Zhang <[email protected]> An: Lars Gardenius <[email protected]>; Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> CC: Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Gesendet: 0:01 Samstag, 7.September 2013 Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself You are entitled to your opinion. I don't agree with it, and I don't feel you should say that everyone is wrong but yourself. Cheerio. Steve Sent from my iPhone > On 7 Sep 2013, at 3:30 am, Lars Gardenius <[email protected]> wrote: > > No, I don't believe you are right. > > The problem is the construction of these Arbitration Committe and the > mediation process. You can no build that on volunteers, who are anonymous > (like "NuclearWarfare") and not accountable. > > You need to recruit people who are educated and trained to handle these types > of questions. Otherwise you can never protect users from mobbing and abuses. > > See also my answer to Fred Bauder, I find it unnecessary to repeat here. > > Regards, > Lars Gardenius > > > > > ________________________________ > Von: Steven Zhang <[email protected]> > An: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; Wikimedia Mailing List > <[email protected]> > CC: Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> > Gesendet: 0:07 Freitag, 6.September 2013 > Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself > > > The dispute resolution page is a little bit of a mess, but we're working on > streamlining things. Informal mediation was closed as it had been made > largely redundant by the dispute resolution noticeboard. The same could > perhaps be said about the mediation committee, but it's a long-standing > process and I don't see it being closed anytime soon, regardless of how > effective it is, due to its longevity, and due to the fact there'd be nowhere > to take a dispute after DRN. > > I did have a chat to a few folk at Wikimania and am coming up with an > alternative DR process to try and take the pain out of things - DRN would > have a go at resolving the dispute, and if that failed, a moderated > discussion would take place where the question(s) or matters under dispute > would be clearly defined, and then put to the wider community for a > discussion. I believe there was recently a discussion like this on Jerusalem. > > But I think the main thing that holds our processes back is a lack of > involved volunteers. It causes burnout. You can't scream "aaaaaah, this > process sucks and it's broken!" and expect things to magically fix itself. > Getting involved will go a long way to fixing things. > > Steve > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 6 Sep 2013, at 5:33 am, "Fred Bauder" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Fred Bauder <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> It is addressed but by a rather complicated and demanding process. See >>>> Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Not really workable for new users who >>>> bump >>>> up against well-established users who have bad habits, or have learned >>>> that nasty behavior pays off in being able to control content. >>> Removing the mediation committee from that process might >>> streamline things a bit. I notice the mediation cabal has closed >>> its doors since the last time I looked. >>> >>> -Chad >> >> I confess I'm not up to date; hardly anyone ever tries to seriously argue >> with me; and, often, if they do, I find something more productive than >> arguing with an idiot. (See, I am a very bad citizen). The Dispute >> resolution pages should be up to date and reflect current practices, >> whatever they are; in many cases matters that once would have been >> considered for arbitration are now handled by administrators. >> >> Fred >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
