Sarah used to be a DJ in Indianapolis. I don't find it very surprising that she'd write an article about a nightclub in Indianapolis. That would probably also explain the use of unusual sources - surely someone who used to DJ in Indy is more familiar with local music sources there than most people would be.
---- Kevin Gorman On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com> wrote: > As an apparent "Wikimedia insider"; I think that if the allegations are > substantiated they need to be addressed. I don't mean to run interference > on that. I mean to try and undercut any attempt to turn a subject worth > discussing substantively into an excuse to crow. My objection is not that > you raised this allegation, it's that you insist on posting four hundred > word screeds about how hard-done by you are and how this demands that > people accept you were right all along. If you actually care about the > substance of the discussion, stop doing that. If you don't, just stop. > > > On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Russavia <russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > Steven, > > > > Did it occur to you that the reason the account is anonymised is that > > one would likely not want it to be found out? It also beyond the > > realms of imagination that "Wikipediocracy trolls" would create an > > account on 6 January 2012 as a joe-job account, and sit on it all this > > time and then have Odder (who is certainly no friend of > > Wikipediocracy) find out about it, and let him beat them to the punch. > > > > But here's a little more evidence for you. From that screenshot, you > > will notice in September Sarah earned $96 from a job which is > > described as "Wikipedia Writer Editor". The information for that job > > is found at https://www.odesk.com/jobs/~01fb1fd477c79e30b0 (and I have > > taken the liberty of uploading it at > > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8j_w_yHF5ymdHQzTkJkRkY5TWM/edit?usp=sharing > > ) > > > > From this we can ascertain the following: > > > > * The job was posted on 3 September 2013 > > * The client is in the United States > > * Sarah was one of 9 applicants for the job, applying on 4 September 2013 > > * The client was interviewing 2 applicants, and they ended up hiring > Sarah > > * On 4 October 2013 (a Friday), the client last viewed this job -- the > > little question mark pop-up says "This is when the client last viewed > > or interacted with the applicants for this job." - in all likelihood > > this is when the information was provided to Sarah. > > > > From Sarah's contributions between this period we can see that she was > > involved in creating and editing articles relating to Turkey, Algeria, > > Guatemala, creating articles such as > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugénie_Luce, etc > > > > On 6 October 2013 (-8 GMT), after editing articles on places/people in > > Moldova and Ukraine, at 12:14 she made this edit > > ( > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stephen_III_of_Moldavia&diff=prev&oldid=576031919 > > ). > > At 13:53, a little under 2 hours later, Sarah posted > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melody_Inn_(nightclub). Again, this is a > > somewhat puff piece article, out of sync with what she was editing at > > the time, with sourcing that one wouldn't really expect in an article. > > The wording at > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melody_Inn_(nightclub)#Music > > is especially telling. Then > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1935&diff=prev&oldid=576044989 > > is done straight afterwards. That it was posted a little under 2 hours > > after her edit to the Stephen III of Moldavia article would correlate > > with the 2 hours that she billed the client for cleaning the article > > up to make it presentable, receiving $96. Then it was back to normal > > editing. Not bad for 2 hours editing on a Sunday afternoon, eh? > > > > And surely you can understand why people would post this information > > publicly. Already on this very list I have been attacked by no less > > than 4 Wikimedia insiders (yourself included) who are clearly trying > > to run deflection and interference. Emailing the WMF and Sue > > privately, so that it can be quietly ignored, or swept under the > > carpet; this is the experience of many people in the past, so why > > waste one's time. And anyway, doesn't the public, including the media > > whom I have also taken the liberty of advising that this issue exists, > > have a right to know that such things are happening on a project that > > prides itself on how transparent it is. > > > > Steven, does this smell like trolling and an elaborate "set up Sarah" > > joe-job? People can continue to bury their heads in the sand, attack > > me for trolling, run interference, and believe in vast conspiracies > > and other such nonsense. I will look at this logically, and taken in > > with information that Odder provided, it's couldn't be clearer. > > > > What isn't so clear is how Sue and Jimmy will respond...... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Steven Walling <steven.wall...@gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Russavia <russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com > > >wrote: > > > > > >> Odder has published a fantastic blog piece at > > >> > http://twkozlowski.net/paid-editing-thrives-in-the-heart-of-wikipedia/in > > >> which it is revealed that a WMF employee is engaged in undeclared paid > > >> editing on English Wikipedia, and charging what it appears to be $300 > > per > > >> article. > > >> > > >> I have cc'ed both Sue and Jimmy in on this email, but also sending to > > this > > >> list as I know they, and other WMF employees, do use this list, and I > > think > > >> it would be pertinent that they respond publicly to the issues raised > > here. > > >> It is ever so more important given that the undeclared paid editing > > >> occurred AFTER the whole Wiki-PR debacle (Sue's press release, WMF's > > >> cease-and-desist, and of course the resultant media attention). > > >> > > >> What do Jimmy and Sue believe should occur given that such editing > > violates > > >> Wikipedia policies and also Jimmy's so-called Bright Line Rule. In > > relation > > >> to Jimmy's line, many are still clueless as to what exactly this > Bright > > >> Line is (it's not very bright), and how it should be applied in > > practice, > > >> so Jimmy, if you are out there, your comment is requested on that. > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> > > >> Russavia > > >> > > > > > > I'm with David and Nathan here. > > > > > > The "evidence" presented is an anonymized oDesk account and a > screenshot. > > > Screenshots are very easily doctored, and Wikipediocracy trolls have > many > > > reasons to attack a Wikimedian like Sarah. I wouldn't be surprised if > > > they'd go so far as to set up a fake account using her picture and > > > information. > > > > > > If you really cared about solving this, you could try emailing Sarah, > her > > > superiors, and Sue directly. Considering many staff don't follow high > > > volume lists like Wikimedia-l, especially on the weekend, it's not > > exactly > > > the best way to get a response from the WMF. It is, however, a great > way > > to > > > stir up bullshit drama. > > > > > > I'll hold out for Sarah's comment, if she feels comfortable. 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