Right, sorry, what I meant was that these arguments can be collected for the preparation of the "Future of the WMCON" session at WMCON itself, not for changing the current setting.
Nicole On 2 April 2014 23:14, Risker <[email protected]> wrote: > While I don't think this discussion should change the process or the > attendance for this specific conference, particularly as it is just around > the corner, it would be useful to take some of these points into > consideration for future planning. > > Risker/Anne > > > On 2 April 2014 17:08, Nicole Ebber <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Itzik, I am sorry that I did not reply to this earlier. I am just kind >> of baffled that we are having this discussion now, months after all >> these questions where asked (see Future of the Wikimedia Conference) >> and all the information about the scope and the slight loosening of >> the attendee ratio have been put up on Meta. Following that, there >> have been discussions about which groups to invite (recognised, >> non-recognised), but not a single one about the number of attendees - >> although it has always been asked for input. >> >> Our main drive behind opening up was that we felt the 2(+1) rule is >> kind of outdated, and it makes sense to have people sent those >> representatives who they really believe need to be there. Either as a >> contributing or a profiting attendee, but of course focussing on the >> topics that are covered in the conference themes. This is also why my >> colleagues from the event team only opened the registration _after_ >> the rough outline of the programme has been published by the programme >> team. >> >> As for the broader topic about the purpose, scope and future of the >> WMCON, I think it does make sense to discuss this on-list (or better >> wiki) before the event. An exchange of arguments and possible >> solutions is welcome, those can be used to prepare for the session at >> WMCON. I am definitely glad that we now have this discussion and I >> like to hear more of people's thoughts. >> >> As for the broader, broader topic that for example Risker mentions >> above, I hope that the Chapters Dialogue will be able to provide >> insights and food for thought. The presentation at the WMCON and the >> extensive documentation that will be provided on-wiki afterwards, can >> help foster these discussions on those movement related issues. >> >> Again, I am glad that the pre-conference has now been initiated and >> that we can use the following days to get in the right mood for the >> conference weekend. >> >> Thanks and best regards, >> Nicole >> >> >> >> On 2 April 2014 22:18, Itzik Edri <[email protected]> wrote: >> > What the purpose of this discussion? The program committee already >> > scheduled a session about the future of the WMCON. And as we are a week >> > before, and I believe it's too late to cancel flights and hotels booking, >> > nothing will probably going to be changed, even if there will be >> consensus >> > about the purpose of the conference. >> > >> > And while it seem like the discussion is about WMUK's attendees only - I >> > must say I don't think this is the case. They are maybe the biggest >> > delegations (we may starts to change the term this year from >> > "representatives" to "delegation", which fit the case better), but not >> the >> > only ones. There are other chapters who sends more than the others. >> > >> > The silence and the ignorance of the organizer team regarding their >> > decision on that is something which worries me more, I think. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Chris Keating < >> [email protected]>wrote: >> > >> >> Great! We are starting to have the conversation we need to have! >> >> >> >> So: What is the purpose of the Wikimedia Conference? >> >> >> >> This has never been clearly defined, in my view. >> >> >> >> I certainly found attending last year useful as it was a chance to get >> to >> >> know face-to-face people I only knew over email, to share some useful >> >> experience of Wikimedia UK's with other chapters, and to get an >> insight >> >> into how others were thinking, and have some meetings which needed to be >> >> done face-to-face. >> >> >> >> In general those are very useful things. But is that what the >> conference is >> >> for? >> >> >> >> Chris >> >> On 2 Apr 2014 17:17, "Cristian Consonni" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > (my 2cents here, not speaking in any capacity besides my personal free >> >> > will) >> >> > >> >> > 2014-04-02 14:32 GMT+02:00 Jens Best <[email protected]>: >> >> > > Have a nice time in Berlin, maybe I will drop by on some of the >> evening >> >> > > events at least. :) >> >> > >> >> > May I say? Please come by also at the conference. >> >> > I understand the point of having a rule (which we can decide if it is >> >> > a strict rule or whatever) of 2+1 representatives because it helps to >> >> > limit costs and it also assures that there isn't over-representation >> >> > of an entities over some others (which are both good arguments, btw) >> >> > but thinking of having a closed event were you can not come along if >> >> > you are interested to do so and you happen to live nearby seems Deeply >> >> > Wrong(TM) to me. >> >> > For comparison all General Assemblies of Wikimedia Italia are public, >> >> > everyone can come along and speak, of course when it comes to voting >> >> > (e.g. board elections) only members have the right to vote. We always >> >> > have some bystanders (this includes the occasional "I am painter, why >> >> > I don't have my Wikipedia page?") and, to date, our assemblies have >> >> > never being flooded by strangers :-). Moreover, for the sake of "bias" >> >> > and over-representation I think that this will not be of much more >> >> > impact than the fact of chosing to hold the event itself in Berlin. >> >> > >> >> > Cristian >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list >> >> > [email protected] >> >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >> , >> >> > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> >> >> >> >> -- >> Nicole Ebber >> Leiterin Internationales >> Head of International Affairs >> >> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin >> Tel. +49 30 219158 26-0 >> >> http://wikimedia.de >> >> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. >> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg >> unter der Nummer 23855 B. 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