I appreciate your clarification, Nicole - thanks. There is a certain irony in the fact that those who are making the argument that there should be some rethinking of the future of the WMCON are all (as best I can tell) people who will not be present. I hope that those who are present will be able to adequately voice ideas other than the status quo.
Risker/Anne On 2 April 2014 17:17, Nicole Ebber <[email protected]> wrote: > Right, sorry, what I meant was that these arguments can be collected > for the preparation of the "Future of the WMCON" session at WMCON > itself, not for changing the current setting. > > Nicole > > On 2 April 2014 23:14, Risker <[email protected]> wrote: > > While I don't think this discussion should change the process or the > > attendance for this specific conference, particularly as it is just > around > > the corner, it would be useful to take some of these points into > > consideration for future planning. > > > > Risker/Anne > > > > > > On 2 April 2014 17:08, Nicole Ebber <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Itzik, I am sorry that I did not reply to this earlier. I am just kind > >> of baffled that we are having this discussion now, months after all > >> these questions where asked (see Future of the Wikimedia Conference) > >> and all the information about the scope and the slight loosening of > >> the attendee ratio have been put up on Meta. Following that, there > >> have been discussions about which groups to invite (recognised, > >> non-recognised), but not a single one about the number of attendees - > >> although it has always been asked for input. > >> > >> Our main drive behind opening up was that we felt the 2(+1) rule is > >> kind of outdated, and it makes sense to have people sent those > >> representatives who they really believe need to be there. Either as a > >> contributing or a profiting attendee, but of course focussing on the > >> topics that are covered in the conference themes. This is also why my > >> colleagues from the event team only opened the registration _after_ > >> the rough outline of the programme has been published by the programme > >> team. > >> > >> As for the broader topic about the purpose, scope and future of the > >> WMCON, I think it does make sense to discuss this on-list (or better > >> wiki) before the event. An exchange of arguments and possible > >> solutions is welcome, those can be used to prepare for the session at > >> WMCON. I am definitely glad that we now have this discussion and I > >> like to hear more of people's thoughts. > >> > >> As for the broader, broader topic that for example Risker mentions > >> above, I hope that the Chapters Dialogue will be able to provide > >> insights and food for thought. The presentation at the WMCON and the > >> extensive documentation that will be provided on-wiki afterwards, can > >> help foster these discussions on those movement related issues. > >> > >> Again, I am glad that the pre-conference has now been initiated and > >> that we can use the following days to get in the right mood for the > >> conference weekend. > >> > >> Thanks and best regards, > >> Nicole > >> > >> > >> > >> On 2 April 2014 22:18, Itzik Edri <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > What the purpose of this discussion? The program committee already > >> > scheduled a session about the future of the WMCON. And as we are a > week > >> > before, and I believe it's too late to cancel flights and hotels > booking, > >> > nothing will probably going to be changed, even if there will be > >> consensus > >> > about the purpose of the conference. > >> > > >> > And while it seem like the discussion is about WMUK's attendees only > - I > >> > must say I don't think this is the case. They are maybe the biggest > >> > delegations (we may starts to change the term this year from > >> > "representatives" to "delegation", which fit the case better), but not > >> the > >> > only ones. There are other chapters who sends more than the others. > >> > > >> > The silence and the ignorance of the organizer team regarding their > >> > decision on that is something which worries me more, I think. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Chris Keating < > >> [email protected]>wrote: > >> > > >> >> Great! We are starting to have the conversation we need to have! > >> >> > >> >> So: What is the purpose of the Wikimedia Conference? > >> >> > >> >> This has never been clearly defined, in my view. > >> >> > >> >> I certainly found attending last year useful as it was a chance to > get > >> to > >> >> know face-to-face people I only knew over email, to share some useful > >> >> experience of Wikimedia UK's with other chapters, and to get an > >> insight > >> >> into how others were thinking, and have some meetings which needed > to be > >> >> done face-to-face. > >> >> > >> >> In general those are very useful things. But is that what the > >> conference is > >> >> for? > >> >> > >> >> Chris > >> >> On 2 Apr 2014 17:17, "Cristian Consonni" <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > (my 2cents here, not speaking in any capacity besides my personal > free > >> >> > will) > >> >> > > >> >> > 2014-04-02 14:32 GMT+02:00 Jens Best <[email protected]>: > >> >> > > Have a nice time in Berlin, maybe I will drop by on some of the > >> evening > >> >> > > events at least. :) > >> >> > > >> >> > May I say? Please come by also at the conference. > >> >> > I understand the point of having a rule (which we can decide if it > is > >> >> > a strict rule or whatever) of 2+1 representatives because it helps > to > >> >> > limit costs and it also assures that there isn't > over-representation > >> >> > of an entities over some others (which are both good arguments, > btw) > >> >> > but thinking of having a closed event were you can not come along > if > >> >> > you are interested to do so and you happen to live nearby seems > Deeply > >> >> > Wrong(TM) to me. > >> >> > For comparison all General Assemblies of Wikimedia Italia are > public, > >> >> > everyone can come along and speak, of course when it comes to > voting > >> >> > (e.g. board elections) only members have the right to vote. We > always > >> >> > have some bystanders (this includes the occasional "I am painter, > why > >> >> > I don't have my Wikipedia page?") and, to date, our assemblies > have > >> >> > never being flooded by strangers :-). Moreover, for the sake of > "bias" > >> >> > and over-representation I think that this will not be of much more > >> >> > impact than the fact of chosing to hold the event itself in Berlin. > >> >> > > >> >> > Cristian > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list > >> >> > [email protected] > >> >> > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > >> , > >> >> > <mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Wikimedia-l mailing list > >> >> [email protected] > >> >> Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Nicole Ebber > >> Leiterin Internationales > >> Head of International Affairs > >> > >> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin > >> Tel. +49 30 219158 26-0 > >> > >> http://wikimedia.de > >> > >> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. > >> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg > >> unter der Nummer 23855 B. 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