Hoi,
Yana you mentioned that all WMF projects may become under the "zero"
flag... is Labs being considered for this as well ?
Thanks,
GerardM
On 1 June 2014 09:57, Yana Welinder <ywelin...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> As the Quartz article from Jens's email discusses, the decision in Chile is
> very unfortunate.[1] It's an example of when net neutrality — which is an
> important principle for the free and open internet — is poorly implemented
> to prevent free dissemination of knowledge. Although Wikipedia Zero is not
> yet available in Chile, it is a country of interest for the program, so we
> are thinking about what options are available in light of this decision.
>
> That said, I would like to clarify a couple of points about the
> implementation of Wikipedia Zero that were raised in this thread:
>
> 1. The newer Wikipedia Zero partnerships have provided the full Wikipedia
> sites (m.wikipedia) free of data charges for some time now and we are
> phasing out the reduced version (zero.wikipedia) from the older
> partnerships.
>
> 2. While earlier Wikipedia Zero partnerships only zero-rated Wikipedia, we
> are working on getting carriers to zero-rate all the Wikimedia projects.
>
> 3. We are also working on getting editing functions zero-rated, though
> there are some technical hurdles for that right now. But, eventually,
> Wikipedia Zero will not only make knowledge more accessible, but also
> empower more people in the Global South to contribute to the projects.
>
> 4. Finally, WMF does *not* pay carriers to zero-rate Wikipedia under
> Wikipedia Zero. Carriers zero-rate the sites because they want to make a
> commitment to access to knowledge as a corporate social responsibility.[2]
> I believe this question has already been answered in this thread since
> Scott raised it earlier, but I just wanted to confirm that Wikipedia Zero
> does not involve payments.
>
> Hope this is helpful!
>
> Best,
> Yana
>
> [1]
>
> http://qz.com/215064/when-net-neutrality-backfires-chile-just-killed-free-access-to-wikipedia-and-facebook/
> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_social_responsibility
>
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> On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Jens Best <jens.b...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
>
> > News from Chile
> >
> > Chile’s Subsecretaria de Telecomunicaciones just decided that zero-rating
> > is a promotion tool which is against net neutrality. Therefore all
> > zero-rated-related marketing deals have to stop at the 1st of June.
> > According to a WMF-list in Chile no provider has been offering Wikipedia
> > Zero. Also I'm not sure if this dismissal reflects only on zero-rated
> > offers where payment of money is done by the content provider. So it
> still
> > needs to be checked how/if this decision is influencing our intent to
> > spread Wikipedia Zero.
> >
> > All in all it shows that we have to improve our arguments in a broader
> > scale if we don't want to get caught by promoting Free Knowledge" but in
> > fact 'only' pushing the use of a reduced version of one (very well known
> > and superb) website which stand exemplary for this idea. We are caught
> in a
> > dilemma which imho only can be solved when reaching out to more partners
> > which stand for Free Knowledge and Free Education. Not sure how this
> could
> > work, but fortunately that never was a reason to stop.
> >
> > News from Chile:
> >
> >
> >
> http://qz.com/215064/when-net-neutrality-backfires-chile-just-killed-free-access-to-wikipedia-and-facebook/
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.subtel.gob.cl/noticias/138-neutralidad-red/5311-ley-de-neutralidad-y-redes-sociales-gratis?_ga=1.143290485.1915805894.1400742323
> >
> > Overview Wikipedia Zero:
> >
> > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mobile_partnerships
> >
> >
> >
> > 2014-05-30 6:59 GMT+02:00 rupert THURNER <rupert.thur...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > participation is another aspect. wp zero allows free reading. it does
> > > not allow free participation. write emails, search for references,
> > > download and adjust code. just as a side note, the oxford university
> > > stated: until 2012, europe, i.e. 10% of the worlds population,
> > > produced 50%+ of wikipedias geotagged contents [1].
> > >
> > > imo it is not necessary to terminate wikipedia zero, it "just" needs
> > > to be negotiated differently: if a telco wants to support our case,
> > > give every person 200mb free internet access. unrestricted. or, if we
> > > need to break some law like now or be in the grey area, we could
> > > support additionally a viral model, like: if somebody is a wikipedia
> > > contributor (as defined in election criteria, or like in ghana, 3
> > > edits per week), give them 2 GB free internet traffic for free,
> > > unrestricted.
> > >
> > > if the WMF legal department would be able to negotiate _this_ e.g. in
> > > nigeria or india, i would have _big_ respect for them, and with
> > > pleasure say in future: you guys are worth every cent of the 5 million
> > > we pay you a year.
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> >
> http://geography.oii.ox.ac.uk/?page=the-geographically-uneven-coverage-of-wikipedia
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Jens Best <jens.b...@wikimedia.de>
> > > wrote:
> > > > "Giving access to educational resources" isn't the same statement as
> > > > "zero-rating wikipedia" - If the mobile providers are willing to give
> > > more
> > > > open educational ressources (incl. video) a zero-rated access to the
> > > people
> > > > THEN you can say "giving access to educational ressources for free" -
> > > right
> > > > now it 'only' means "giving free access to wikipedia" (which is great
> > and
> > > > awesome for the wikipedia and the people).
> > > >
> > > > Let's not be naive on the point that mobile providers have different
> > > > motivations for zero-rating services as the movement has for fighting
> > for
> > > > free knowledge around the globe.
> > > >
> > > > In the beginning it was mainly zero.wikipedia (text-only), now more
> and
> > > > more providers giving access to m.wikipedia (some-pictures), but
> where
> > > are
> > > > their restrictions and what will these restrictions mean for further
> > > > development on free knowledge and free education? - And above that
> what
> > > > will be our argument when other free knowledge/free education
> > > organisations
> > > > don't get zero-rated? When it becomes clear that the marketing scoop
> of
> > > > giving "free wikipedia" wasn't at all meant as the start of giving
> free
> > > > access to free knowledge around the world?
> > > >
> > > > I'm all in to make all open knowledge and all open educational
> > ressources
> > > > zero-rated available around the globe - but I'm also quite sure that
> > this
> > > > is not the deal the mobile providers are looking forward to. I prefer
> > to
> > > > stay critical and not giving up an important principle like net
> > > neutrality
> > > > just because some mobile providers made a nice marketing deal with us
> > > which
> > > > seemed to serve our own goals in short-term, but isn't reflected
> enough
> > > on
> > > > its deeper implications on a free web and its liberated use.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > best regards
> > > >
> > > > Jens Best
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2014-05-29 23:31 GMT+02:00 Marc A. Pelletier <m...@uberbox.org>:
> > > >
> > > >> On 05/29/2014 05:24 PM, Jens Best wrote:
> > > >> > A noble cause
> > > >> > doesn't necessarily make breaking an important principle
> > > unproblematic.
> > > >>
> > > >> In my opinion, if the definition of the principle makes the
> obviously
> > > >> perverse conclusion that a beneficial thing like giving access to
> > > >> educational resources for free to the world's least economically
> > > >> fortunate people "a bad thing", then the definition is obviously
> > broken.
> > > >>
> > > >> > It could be the time to start talking
> > > >> > globally about an in-the-future exit strategy on the surely noble
> > > >> > initiative e.g. when certain milestones are reached in
> participating
> > > >> > countries/regions.
> > > >>
> > > >> So you're telling me that there is a point where we can say "Oh, you
> > > >> can't afford access? Too bad." and it's not a bad thing because
> some
> > > >> /other/ metric has been reached?
> > > >>
> > > >> -- Marc
> > > > --
> > > > Jens Best
> > > > Präsidium
> > > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
> > > > web: http://www.wikimedia.de
> > > > mail: jens.best <http://goog_17221883>@wikimedia.de
> > >
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