Hi, Nemo, Can you please find that specific page/formulation of the principle? > I'd like to reference it from point 1 of https://www.mediawiki.org/ > wiki/Principles but I couldn't find it with a quick search. (Note, it's > not really *universally* accepted as a wiki principle.) >
It is at http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiDesignPrinciples Hi, Samuel, Now we have so much metadata about pages and edits, we could cluster > results in a more meaningful way... Yes! If Summly can help people read news, why not to observe wiki in a more meaningful way? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_D'Aloisio On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 2:31 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <[email protected]> wrote: > Mingli Yuan, 05/06/2014 19:43: > > If you visit the early page of c2.com, you will find the idea >> of observability is one pillar principle of wiki software, and just follow >> the idea, Ward invent the RecentChanges for all wikis. >> > > Can you please find that specific page/formulation of the principle? > I'd like to reference it from point 1 of https://www.mediawiki.org/ > wiki/Principles but I couldn't find it with a quick search. (Note, it's > not really *universally* accepted as a wiki principle.) > > Some rather big software development projects have failed, recently, in > ways that a simple checklist like the page above could have avoided. So > this is an important conversation to have. > > > >> At that time c2 is very small; now Wikipedia is so big. The original idea >> of RecentChanges is not very effective today. >> > > Nor in 2002. :) http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TooManyRecentChanges > > > We had made some extension >> for the original idea in our mediawiki software, but I think the step is >> too small. >> >> Let's first take a look of what we had already invented are similar to >> RecentChanges but more effective: >> >> * Wikizine or Signpost: community stories every week >> * some part of a Portal: recent changes under a subject compiled by human >> >> Still possible for other kind of RecentChanges which is not invented yet, >> for example: >> * References and external links are very valuable resources, why not >> extract them from articles and compile them into a timeline? >> > > None of these escapes http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?RecentChangesIsNotTheWiki ; > some have failed before: http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/RoleOfRecentChanges > > > >> Content is only one aspect to observe, people are another: >> > > Attention, we're radically rooted in http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/ > ContentOverCommunity > > > * Who are the experts on some topics? >> * Who are my buddies on some articles? >> * Who did help me to improve an article originally I wrote? >> >> In all, we may reshape our technical infrastructure in this direction for >> new spaces of participation. And finally, one open question for the system >> designer: >> >> * Towards better content and community, what is the most important things >> we want our user to observe? >> > > I'm not sure that's the right question. Anyway, more reading: > http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/back=CategoryRecentChanges > http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?search=RecentChanges > > Nemo > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
