You could start by listing the ad hoc methods. Others might add to the list. The list might inspire alternative ideas. Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of C. Scott Ananian Sent: 06 June 2014 04:54 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability One small step forward might be to add more support to 'groups' in the mediawiki codebase. Groups could help organize the various subcommunities. Perhaps consider this a federal system for wikipedia. ;) I have been experimenting with real-time collaborative editors on wikipedia. One question that arises is: how do I find others who are interested in working on this particular page with me? Currently there are a number of ad-hoc methods used. One could imagine that the participants on a particular article's talk page consistute a sort of ad hoc "group". Various wikiprojects are a more formal group. But can we think about this more, and come up with better mediawiki tools to find/discover/join/share/discuss things in our group(s)? --scott On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Mingli Yuan <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, Nemo, > > Can you please find that specific page/formulation of the principle? > > I'd like to reference it from point 1 of https://www.mediawiki.org/ > > wiki/Principles but I couldn't find it with a quick search. (Note, > > it's not really *universally* accepted as a wiki principle.) > > > > It is at http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiDesignPrinciples > > Hi, Samuel, > > Now we have so much metadata about pages and edits, we could cluster > > results in a more meaningful way... > > > Yes! If Summly can help people read news, why not to observe wiki in a > more meaningful way? > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_D'Aloisio > > > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 2:31 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) > <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Mingli Yuan, 05/06/2014 19:43: > > > > If you visit the early page of c2.com, you will find the idea > >> of observability is one pillar principle of wiki software, and just > follow > >> the idea, Ward invent the RecentChanges for all wikis. > >> > > > > Can you please find that specific page/formulation of the principle? > > I'd like to reference it from point 1 of https://www.mediawiki.org/ > > wiki/Principles but I couldn't find it with a quick search. (Note, > > it's not really *universally* accepted as a wiki principle.) > > > > Some rather big software development projects have failed, recently, > > in ways that a simple checklist like the page above could have > > avoided. So this is an important conversation to have. > > > > > > > >> At that time c2 is very small; now Wikipedia is so big. The > >> original > idea > >> of RecentChanges is not very effective today. > >> > > > > Nor in 2002. :) http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TooManyRecentChanges > > > > > > We had made some extension > >> for the original idea in our mediawiki software, but I think the > >> step is too small. > >> > >> Let's first take a look of what we had already invented are similar > >> to RecentChanges but more effective: > >> > >> * Wikizine or Signpost: community stories every week > >> * some part of a Portal: recent changes under a subject compiled by > human > >> > >> Still possible for other kind of RecentChanges which is not > >> invented > yet, > >> for example: > >> * References and external links are very valuable resources, why > >> not extract them from articles and compile them into a timeline? > >> > > > > None of these escapes > > http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?RecentChangesIsNotTheWiki ; some have failed before: > http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/RoleOfRecentChanges > > > > > > > >> Content is only one aspect to observe, people are another: > >> > > > > Attention, we're radically rooted in http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/ > > ContentOverCommunity > > > > > > * Who are the experts on some topics? > >> * Who are my buddies on some articles? > >> * Who did help me to improve an article originally I wrote? > >> > >> In all, we may reshape our technical infrastructure in this > >> direction > for > >> new spaces of participation. And finally, one open question for the > system > >> designer: > >> > >> * Towards better content and community, what is the most important > things > >> we want our user to observe? > >> > > > > I'm not sure that's the right question. Anyway, more reading: > > http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/back=CategoryRecentChanges > > http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?search=RecentChanges > > > > Nemo > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > -- (http://cscott.net) _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> ----- No virus found in this message. 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