If it is to be limited to certain people, why not just have a pre conference with Wikimania?
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 23:36:36 +0200 > From: zvand...@gmail.com > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015 > > There is no reason to change the name, and no reason to invent a second > Wikimania. Also because of finances, the Spring meeting should be really > limited to people who make the movement work better. > I repeat that, in my opinion, some newer or smaller organisations don't fit > really in, or should not be represented with as many people as an older or > larger organisation. For newcomers I could imagine regional meetings with a > special focus to their needs. > It is certainly possible to improve the meeting by some better planning. > For a jolly "Let's come all together and have a nice chat about anything" > it is just too expensive... > Kind regards > Ziko > > > > Am Donnerstag, 11. September 2014 schrieb Alice Wiegand : > > > Is this really a discussion about the name of a conference or is it more a > > discussion about inclusion and exclusion with the underlying question if > > this conference, which once was set up as a meeting for the organizations > > within the Wikimedia movement, should be open for non-organized Wikimedians > > as well. Which would probably be a different conference. > > > > Alice. > > > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> > > wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Bence Damokos <bdamo...@gmail.com > > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > > > > The name could be changed if the participants/organisers want to change > > > it. > > > > As I tried to point out, I don't see the name as the underlying problem > > > > people really have, and changing it will not solve the problem of > > > exclusion > > > > people see. > > > > > > > > We can make a conference that has a participants list that involves > > > people > > > > that *should *or at least the people that really *want* to be there, we > > > can > > > > also rename the conference for the people that *are *currently there > > and > > > > forget about those that want and should be there. I'd rather focus on > > the > > > > former. > > > > > > > > Regardless, I do feel an emotional connection to the name and I expect > > > many > > > > people that have participated or organised it might feel this and I > > > > appreciate that those who have not been there can see it as a minor > > thing > > > > that can be changed without any cost. It might not be perfect, but it > > > does > > > > have history and I do contend that the people that first started using > > it > > > > are Wikimedia, and they should not feel guilty about having come up > > with > > > > the idea first. Indeed, at this time, resources have been invested into > > > the > > > > name and confusion is ebbing around the "Wikimedia Conference" name due > > > to > > > > the years of history behind it. > > > > > > > > But in closing, I will once again point to my statements that names are > > > > symbolic and they can be changed. If the participants change the name > > > that > > > > sends a totally different vibe than if the change is imposed on the > > > > participants, even if the end result is the same new name. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Bence > > > > > > > > > If the as-yet undetermined organizers choose to name it Wikimedia > > > Conference, then I suppose no one will act to force them to stop. But we > > > are Wikimedia as much as the organizers and participants are, as much as > > > hundreds of thousands of volunteers are. In a "Wikimedia Conference" you > > > might expect it to be open to those Wikimedians. With a narrower theme > > of > > > governance, I doubt the prediction of it morphing into a second Wikimania > > > would come true. > > > > > > And while I accept your assertion that the name has history and meaning > > to > > > those who have participated there, I remain skeptical at the power the > > name > > > holds for you and others. It is, as you'll agree, a fairly generic name. > > > And less than a handful of events over as many years does not a venerable > > > tradition make. So I would hope that the organizers, whoever they turn > > out > > > to be, will make the simple gesture of adding a single word to the name > > of > > > the event. It is still Wikimedia; it's just aimed at affiliates, those > > who > > > organize and have attended the event up through now. > > > > > > Indeed, the conference of affiliates that you've attended in the past is > > > valuable and worthy. I'd suggest you allow others interested to attend if > > > resources permit, but I wouldn't ask you to fundamentally alter the > > nature > > > of the event. Merely make it clear whom you represent, so that others > > don't > > > feel you claim to represent them when you do not -- as Ilario seemed to > > > with his "principle of delegation" comment. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
