On 12 August 2015 at 19:46, Gerard Meijssen <> wrote:

> Hoi,
> In case of a legal situation. Taking a position like "superprotecting"
> means that you take on a liability. When you do this as part of a job, it
> is different from doing it as a volunteer.

--
​ The only difference I can understand is tha​t the stewards/admins and
their knowledge, skills and decision-taking power have been tested or
verified​ by the community. We can not say the same thing for *all* WMF
employees.



>
> On 11 August 2015 at 22:17, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Can you clarify what you mean? If there are legal reasons for
> > superprotecting a page, I think that the stewards could handle that.
> >
> > Pine
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
> > [email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > <grin> did you consider the legal ramnifications ?
> > > Thanks, </grin>
> > >      GerardM
> > >
> > > On 11 August 2015 at 22:14, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > My preference would be to have stewards applying Superprotect rather
> > than
> > > > WMF. There are cases where Superprotect makes sense, but given WMF's
> > > > history with it, I would prefer that it become a community tool.
> > > >
> > > > Pine
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Magnus Manske <
> > > > [email protected]
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > So maybe it could stay, as a "technical office action" mechanism,
> if
> > > > future
> > > > > usage is clearly defined and accepted by "the community" (TM)?
> > > > >
> > > > > Not advocating either way here...
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:13 PM Dariusz Jemielniak <
> > [email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:36 PM, John Lewis <
> > [email protected]>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes. It was used a few months ago to prevent editing the
> Germany
> > > item
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > Wikidata due to a very serious breaking issue. Also on several
> > > pages
> > > > > > > following legal disputes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Superprotect in my opinion if used correctly is an essential
> tool
> > > > which
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > prevent legal and technical issues that can in theory cause
> wide
> > > > > > > disruption.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > In my private opinion the technical part of Superprotect has a
> > > > potential
> > > > > to
> > > > > > be useful, it is the social background (who approves its use, how
> > it
> > > > can
> > > > > be
> > > > > > used, etc.) that matters and that is the bone of contention (and
> > > > > justified
> > > > > > concerns). I have a hope that we will have it resolved before the
> > > next
> > > > > > anniversary or earlier :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > best,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dariusz "pundit"
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