Hoi,
Wouldn't have it been a better use of Sverker's brainpower to implement a long-term solution that doesn't require saving articles to the wiki?


Il 06/09/2015 11:23, Anders Wennersten ha scritto:
At svwp we work closely with Wikidata and see it as the natural base for our article substance. And we follow closely Phabricator and are eager to implement it as soon as it will be feasible to implement. And Lsjbot is in no way counteractive to these. It will be easy to exchange Lsjbot article with Phabricator generated ones when time is right.

But I believe you miss the point with what Lsjbot is doing now. The extensive research etc done on data in Geonames is one of the crucial efforts. And in a way all this generation project is a research on the viability to use this data for full in all language versions. If it still is seen as viable we could extend our article coverage for geographical entities with a factor 10 in all versions. And this research is a must even independently of which technique is used to generate the articles.

The other crucial effort is the extended intelligence built into the generation of facts in the articles. To find out close by physical object by clever algorithms is a intellectual effort of highest dignity. First when bot generating was introduced, it was more or less a mapping of items from input to items in output (in articles). We now see how more info is created by info only implicit existing in input and where it is combined with external (map) data

I can not enough press on how much I am impressed by Sverkers outstanding intellectual effort and his creativity in implementing and running software that is of great help reaching our common vision "free knowledge for all".

 Anders




Den 2015-09-06 kl. 08:50, skrev Gerard Meijssen:
Hoi,
PLEASE reconsider. A Wikidata based solution is not superior because it
started from Wikidata.

PLEASE consider collaboration. It will be so much more powerful when LSJBOT
and people at Wikidata collaborate. It will get things right the first
time. It does not have to be perfect from the start as long as it gets
better over time. As long as we always work on improving the data.

PLEASE consider text generation based on Wikidata. They are the scripts
LSJBOT uses, they can help us improve the text when more or better
information becomes available.
Thanks,
      GerardM

On 6 September 2015 at 08:25, Ricordisamoa <ricordisa...@openmailbox.org>
wrote:

Proper data-based stubs are being worked on:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1416/
Lsjbot, you have no chance to survive make your time.


Il 06/09/2015 02:40, Anders Wennersten ha scritto:

Geonames [1] is a database which holds around 9 M entries of geographical
related items from all over the world.

Lsjbot is now generating articles from a subset of it, after several
months of extensive research on its quality, Wikidata relations and
notability issues. While the quality in some regions is substandard (and these will not be generated) it was seen as very good in most areas. In the discussion I was intrigued to learn that identical Arabic names should be transcribed differently depending on its geographic location. And I was fascinated of the question of notability of wells in the Bahrain desert (which in the end was excluded, mostly because we knew too little of that
reality)

In this run Lsjbot has extended its functionality even further then when it generated articles for species. It looks for relevant geographical items
close to the actual one: a lake close by, a mountain and where is the
nearest major town etc.

Macedonia  can be taken as one example. Lsjbot generated over 10000
articles (and 5000 disambiguous pages) making it a magnitude more than what exist in enwp. Also for a well defined type like villages, almost 50% as many has been generated than existing in enwp. One example [2] where you can see what has been generated (and note the reuse of a relevant figure
existing in frwp). Please compare the corresponding articles on other
languages in this case, many having less information than the bot generated
one.

The generation is still in early stage [3) but has already got the
article count for svwp to pass 2 M today. But it will take many months more before completed and perhaps more M marks will be passed before it is through. If you want to give feedback you are welcome to enter it at [4]

Anders
(with all credits for the Lsjbot to be given to Sverker, its owner, I am
just one of the many supporters of him and his bot on svwp)

[1]
http://www.geonames.org/about.html

[2]
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polaki_%28ort_i_Makedonien%29

[3]
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategori:Robotskapade_geografiartiklar

[4]

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndardiskussion:Lsjbot/Projekt_alla_platser




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