2015-09-06 13:22 GMT+02:00 Steinsplitter Wiki <steinsplitter-w...@live.com>:
> Hoi, > > "Article Placeholders are automatically generated content pages in > Wikipedia or other mediawiki projects displaying data from Wikidata." > Seriously? RobotWiki? Do we really want this? Quality, not quantity. > > Yeah. I REALLY want this. > > From: gerard.meijs...@gmail.com > > Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 11:35:31 +0200 > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] LsJbot and geonames > > > > Hoi, > > As always I have been a big fan of the wonderful work that has been done. > > My reaction was very much for what I perceived as a negative reaction > from > > Ricordisamoa. Telling you to stop and become part of Wikidata is a bit > off. > > Asking for collaboration and work towards a common goal, a goal that you > > very much want to share as I perceive it in your reply is most wonderful > > and most welcome. > > > > When your data is at a quality level where you create stubs, it is very > > much at the level where we should have it in Wikidata. Obviously it is > for > > the Swedish community to have the stubs or experiment with cached > articles > > based on Wikidata data. Obviously, we are at a point where we can create > > the stubs and where caching concepts is technically feasible but not > > something we have done so far. > > > > What does it take to have such an experiment? > > Thanks, > > GerardM > > > > On 6 September 2015 at 11:23, Anders Wennersten < > m...@anderswennersten.se> > > wrote: > > > > > At svwp we work closely with Wikidata and see it as the natural base > for > > > our article substance. And we follow closely Phabricator and are eager > to > > > implement it as soon as it will be feasible to implement. And Lsjbot > is in > > > no way counteractive to these. It will be easy to exchange Lsjbot > article > > > with Phabricator generated ones when time is right. > > > > > > But I believe you miss the point with what Lsjbot is doing now. The > > > extensive research etc done on data in Geonames is one of the crucial > > > efforts. And in a way all this generation project is a research on the > > > viability to use this data for full in all language versions. If it > still > > > is seen as viable we could extend our article coverage for geographical > > > entities with a factor 10 in all versions. And this research is a must > even > > > independently of which technique is used to generate the articles. > > > > > > The other crucial effort is the extended intelligence built into the > > > generation of facts in the articles. To find out close by physical > object > > > by clever algorithms is a intellectual effort of highest dignity. First > > > when bot generating was introduced, it was more or less a mapping of > items > > > from input to items in output (in articles). We now see how more info > is > > > created by info only implicit existing in input and where it is > combined > > > with external (map) data > > > > > > I can not enough press on how much I am impressed by Sverkers > outstanding > > > intellectual effort and his creativity in implementing and running > software > > > that is of great help reaching our common vision "free knowledge for > all". > > > > > > Anders > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Den 2015-09-06 kl. 08:50, skrev Gerard Meijssen: > > > > > >> Hoi, > > >> PLEASE reconsider. A Wikidata based solution is not superior because > it > > >> started from Wikidata. > > >> > > >> PLEASE consider collaboration. It will be so much more powerful when > > >> LSJBOT > > >> and people at Wikidata collaborate. It will get things right the first > > >> time. It does not have to be perfect from the start as long as it gets > > >> better over time. As long as we always work on improving the data. > > >> > > >> PLEASE consider text generation based on Wikidata. They are the > scripts > > >> LSJBOT uses, they can help us improve the text when more or better > > >> information becomes available. > > >> Thanks, > > >> GerardM > > >> > > >> On 6 September 2015 at 08:25, Ricordisamoa < > ricordisa...@openmailbox.org> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> Proper data-based stubs are being worked on: > > >>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1416/ > > >>> Lsjbot, you have no chance to survive make your time. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Il 06/09/2015 02:40, Anders Wennersten ha scritto: > > >>> > > >>> Geonames [1] is a database which holds around 9 M entries of > geographical > > >>>> related items from all over the world. > > >>>> > > >>>> Lsjbot is now generating articles from a subset of it, after several > > >>>> months of extensive research on its quality, Wikidata relations and > > >>>> notability issues. While the quality in some regions is substandard > (and > > >>>> these will not be generated) it was seen as very good in most > areas. In > > >>>> the discussion I was intrigued to learn that identical Arabic names > > >>>> should > > >>>> be transcribed differently depending on its geographic location. > And I > > >>>> was > > >>>> fascinated of the question of notability of wells in the Bahrain > desert > > >>>> (which in the end was excluded, mostly because we knew too little of > > >>>> that > > >>>> reality) > > >>>> > > >>>> In this run Lsjbot has extended its functionality even further then > when > > >>>> it generated articles for species. It looks for relevant > geographical > > >>>> items > > >>>> close to the actual one: a lake close by, a mountain and where is > the > > >>>> nearest major town etc. > > >>>> > > >>>> Macedonia can be taken as one example. Lsjbot generated over 10000 > > >>>> articles (and 5000 disambiguous pages) making it a magnitude more > than > > >>>> what > > >>>> exist in enwp. Also for a well defined type like villages, almost > 50% as > > >>>> many has been generated than existing in enwp. One example [2] > where you > > >>>> can see what has been generated (and note the reuse of a relevant > figure > > >>>> existing in frwp). Please compare the corresponding articles on > other > > >>>> languages in this case, many having less information than the bot > > >>>> generated > > >>>> one. > > >>>> > > >>>> The generation is still in early stage [3) but has already got the > > >>>> article count for svwp to pass 2 M today. But it will take many > months > > >>>> more before completed and perhaps more M marks will be passed > before it > > >>>> is > > >>>> through. If you want to give feedback you are welcome to enter it > at [4] > > >>>> > > >>>> Anders > > >>>> (with all credits for the Lsjbot to be given to Sverker, its owner, > I am > > >>>> just one of the many supporters of him and his bot on svwp) > > >>>> > > >>>> [1] > > >>>> http://www.geonames.org/about.html > > >>>> > > >>>> [2] > > >>>> https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polaki_%28ort_i_Makedonien%29 > > >>>> > > >>>> [3] > > >>>> > https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategori:Robotskapade_geografiartiklar > > >>>> > > >>>> [4] > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndardiskussion:Lsjbot/Projekt_alla_platser > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > >>>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > >>>> Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > >>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > >>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > >>> Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
