Hoi, "Article Placeholders are automatically generated content pages in Wikipedia or other mediawiki projects displaying data from Wikidata." Seriously? RobotWiki? Do we really want this? Quality, not quantity.
> From: gerard.meijs...@gmail.com > Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 11:35:31 +0200 > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] LsJbot and geonames > > Hoi, > As always I have been a big fan of the wonderful work that has been done. > My reaction was very much for what I perceived as a negative reaction from > Ricordisamoa. Telling you to stop and become part of Wikidata is a bit off. > Asking for collaboration and work towards a common goal, a goal that you > very much want to share as I perceive it in your reply is most wonderful > and most welcome. > > When your data is at a quality level where you create stubs, it is very > much at the level where we should have it in Wikidata. Obviously it is for > the Swedish community to have the stubs or experiment with cached articles > based on Wikidata data. Obviously, we are at a point where we can create > the stubs and where caching concepts is technically feasible but not > something we have done so far. > > What does it take to have such an experiment? > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 6 September 2015 at 11:23, Anders Wennersten <m...@anderswennersten.se> > wrote: > > > At svwp we work closely with Wikidata and see it as the natural base for > > our article substance. And we follow closely Phabricator and are eager to > > implement it as soon as it will be feasible to implement. And Lsjbot is in > > no way counteractive to these. It will be easy to exchange Lsjbot article > > with Phabricator generated ones when time is right. > > > > But I believe you miss the point with what Lsjbot is doing now. The > > extensive research etc done on data in Geonames is one of the crucial > > efforts. And in a way all this generation project is a research on the > > viability to use this data for full in all language versions. If it still > > is seen as viable we could extend our article coverage for geographical > > entities with a factor 10 in all versions. And this research is a must even > > independently of which technique is used to generate the articles. > > > > The other crucial effort is the extended intelligence built into the > > generation of facts in the articles. To find out close by physical object > > by clever algorithms is a intellectual effort of highest dignity. First > > when bot generating was introduced, it was more or less a mapping of items > > from input to items in output (in articles). We now see how more info is > > created by info only implicit existing in input and where it is combined > > with external (map) data > > > > I can not enough press on how much I am impressed by Sverkers outstanding > > intellectual effort and his creativity in implementing and running software > > that is of great help reaching our common vision "free knowledge for all". > > > > Anders > > > > > > > > > > > > Den 2015-09-06 kl. 08:50, skrev Gerard Meijssen: > > > >> Hoi, > >> PLEASE reconsider. A Wikidata based solution is not superior because it > >> started from Wikidata. > >> > >> PLEASE consider collaboration. It will be so much more powerful when > >> LSJBOT > >> and people at Wikidata collaborate. It will get things right the first > >> time. It does not have to be perfect from the start as long as it gets > >> better over time. As long as we always work on improving the data. > >> > >> PLEASE consider text generation based on Wikidata. They are the scripts > >> LSJBOT uses, they can help us improve the text when more or better > >> information becomes available. > >> Thanks, > >> GerardM > >> > >> On 6 September 2015 at 08:25, Ricordisamoa <ricordisa...@openmailbox.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Proper data-based stubs are being worked on: > >>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1416/ > >>> Lsjbot, you have no chance to survive make your time. > >>> > >>> > >>> Il 06/09/2015 02:40, Anders Wennersten ha scritto: > >>> > >>> Geonames [1] is a database which holds around 9 M entries of geographical > >>>> related items from all over the world. > >>>> > >>>> Lsjbot is now generating articles from a subset of it, after several > >>>> months of extensive research on its quality, Wikidata relations and > >>>> notability issues. While the quality in some regions is substandard (and > >>>> these will not be generated) it was seen as very good in most areas. In > >>>> the discussion I was intrigued to learn that identical Arabic names > >>>> should > >>>> be transcribed differently depending on its geographic location. And I > >>>> was > >>>> fascinated of the question of notability of wells in the Bahrain desert > >>>> (which in the end was excluded, mostly because we knew too little of > >>>> that > >>>> reality) > >>>> > >>>> In this run Lsjbot has extended its functionality even further then when > >>>> it generated articles for species. It looks for relevant geographical > >>>> items > >>>> close to the actual one: a lake close by, a mountain and where is the > >>>> nearest major town etc. > >>>> > >>>> Macedonia can be taken as one example. Lsjbot generated over 10000 > >>>> articles (and 5000 disambiguous pages) making it a magnitude more than > >>>> what > >>>> exist in enwp. Also for a well defined type like villages, almost 50% as > >>>> many has been generated than existing in enwp. One example [2] where you > >>>> can see what has been generated (and note the reuse of a relevant figure > >>>> existing in frwp). Please compare the corresponding articles on other > >>>> languages in this case, many having less information than the bot > >>>> generated > >>>> one. > >>>> > >>>> The generation is still in early stage [3) but has already got the > >>>> article count for svwp to pass 2 M today. But it will take many months > >>>> more before completed and perhaps more M marks will be passed before it > >>>> is > >>>> through. If you want to give feedback you are welcome to enter it at [4] > >>>> > >>>> Anders > >>>> (with all credits for the Lsjbot to be given to Sverker, its owner, I am > >>>> just one of the many supporters of him and his bot on svwp) > >>>> > >>>> [1] > >>>> http://www.geonames.org/about.html > >>>> > >>>> [2] > >>>> https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polaki_%28ort_i_Makedonien%29 > >>>> > >>>> [3] > >>>> https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategori:Robotskapade_geografiartiklar > >>>> > >>>> [4] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndardiskussion:Lsjbot/Projekt_alla_platser > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >>>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >>> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > >> Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
