Thanks for these suggestions, Lodewijk. Starting with the main goals and ideas before moving to detailed process and criteria makes a lot of sense. We'll need to define a process for 2018 before too long - one of the issues we're seeing is a need to select hosts earlier, because good venues book up early - so I'm not sure we can postpone the process discussions entirely until after Ensino Lario, but I hear your point about vision before process, and about using the next Wikimania to forward some phases of discussion in-person. We can look at options for how to accomplish this.
Cheers, Siko On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org> wrote: > Hi Siko, > > Thanks for the constructive thoughts. > > I agree it is good to focus on the future, and have a good discussion > about this. I hope that chapters and organised groups (who could have > higher odds for bidding/hosting) also discuss this topic, and use that as > input. That way, more people can be included indirectly. > > While I do think we should really discuss this, I do also think Esino > Lario is a very brave experiment, and I would like to separate the > discussion between general goals, and how we accomplish them. I expect we > will learn many lessons from Esino Lario based on the very creative > approach to the conference. Some things will work out great, and should be > repeated, others probably give a less enthusiast feeling for repetition. > That is nothing to be ashamed of, because if we never try, we never find > out. > > So I would like to propose that this consultation does /not/ result in a > very rigid set of criteria and process, but that it focuses on the main > goals, the main ideas what we want with Wikimania - and that we revisit > that shortly after Esino Lario to incorporate those lessons. That also > gives some space to have a real life discussion at Wikimania about this > plan :) It would be nice to have a good set of input for that real life > discussion though! > > Best, > Lodewijk > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 12:11 AM, Siko Bouterse <sboute...@wikimedia.org> > wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> Just letting you know that I’m reading the recent Wikimania-focused >> mailing list threads with interest, as the Community Resources team is now >> on-point for funding and coordinating WMF’s involvement in Wikimania. >> >> A couple of first thoughts to share: >> >> 1. WMF has learned from past Wikimanias that we need to do our >> due-diligence on venue etc before the host team and location is announced. >> One reason for this is that we have a limited budget for Wikimania, and >> doing a site visit before the host is finalized helps us ensure that we’re >> able to support the costs of the event in a given location. Ellie Young is >> headed to Montreal in 2 weeks and based on what she learns from that visit, >> we’re aiming to give the steering committee what they need to confirm >> selection before the end of 2015. That said, we recognize that >> communications around this haven’t gone as planned, and we are looking into >> improvements…(see thought 2) >> >> 2. We, too, would like to see the movement building towards a shared >> vision of Wikimania! It is great to see so many people, in true >> Wikimedian-style, thinking about big-picture questions of participation, >> representation, and content at Wikimania. Knowing that mailing list >> discussions have their limits, here’s how my team is thinking about >> collecting feedback more systematically for this going forward: >> >> We’ll be launching a community consultation in November to help build >> towards more shared vision and process improvements for Wikimania 2018 - >> 2021. Two key inputs we’ve been thinking about using to launch that >> conversation are 1) responses from the survey of last Wikimania’s attendees >> and 2) the steering committee’s recommendation for host selection going >> forward. >> >> We’re still regrouping from the latest Resources Consultation, and will >> begin planning for a Wikimania Consultation next week, so after that we’ll >> be able to share more information about what this consultation will look >> like and the exact timeline. Meanwhile, suggestions and open questions that >> you’d like to see resolved via this consultation are most welcome in this >> thread. My hope is that a consultation will help broaden participation in >> these conversations and get us from input to action. >> >> Warm regards, >> Siko >> >> -- >> Siko Bouterse >> Director of Community Resources >> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. >> >> sboute...@wikimedia.org >> >> *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in >> the sum of all knowledge. * >> *Donate <https://donate.wikimedia.org> or click the "edit" button today, >> and help us make it a reality!* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> wikimani...@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > wikimani...@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > > -- Siko Bouterse Director of Community Resources Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. sboute...@wikimedia.org *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. * *Donate <https://donate.wikimedia.org> or click the "edit" button today, and help us make it a reality!* _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
