On Apr 23, 2016 4:43 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hoi,
> Once we, as in the WMF, start paying for content there is no reasonable
> argument to pay specific work and not pay for other specific work.

Sure there is. Prioritization based on movement goals, feasibility,
achieving parity in underserved areas...

>Why
> should we pay for additional content in English and not pay for content in
> other languages?

Because we might care about those things, and factor them into
prioritization above?

-- brion

>
> Research is done that may lead to the use of Wikidata for citations. We
> have a project called Wikiquote, why not invest attention into Wikiquote.
> Really all the basic reasons why work on citations deserves additional
> funding is lacking. It does not explain what it will bring us anything
that
> we cannot get in another way.
>
> As long as there is no obvious benefit, it would destroy what we are and
> how we do things for no obvious benefit.
> Thanks,
>        GerardM
>
> On 23 April 2016 at 16:02, James Salsman <jsals...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> > >
> > ...
> >
> >
> > > I categorically oppose paying people for content. Enabling them to
create
> > > content is different. Citations is content and its quality is relevant
> > but
> > > only that.
> >
> >
> > Why categorically? We already pay hundreds of people for work in
support of
> > the projects, including reader-facing administrative and content far
more
> > prominent than citations. We encourage Wikipedian in Residence programs
> > where third parties pay for all kinds of content development. The PR
> > editing guidelines explicitly recognize that paid content happens
anyway,
> > we can't control it, but we can offer best practices. We support editing
> > assigned as part of academic class requirements.
> >
> > What reason is there to flatly rule out paying people to find citations
> > before measuring the quality and cost/benefit ratio of doing so with a
> > variety of both incentive payment models and managers?
> >
> >
> > >  > How do people feel about a few of the larger the Chapters funding
> > > pilots to
> >
> > > have professional researchers do
> > https://tools.wmflabs.org/citationhunt/en
> > > > and a few other main languages?
> > > >
> > > > It would be great to measure the quality of results of different
> > payment
> > > > incentive models and rates, but this is not something that the
> > Foundation
> > > > could do without some risk of breaching the DMCA safe harbor
> > provisions,
> > > as
> > > > far as I can see. Even if I am technically wrong about that, the
> > > > appearances would be that it's obvious exertion of what would be
> > positive
> > > > editorial control, which would still mean a greater likelihood of
> > > lawsuits
> > > > by disgruntled BLP and corporate subjects who can't win in court but
> > can
> > > > waste everyone's money.
> > > >
> > > > But I would rather have multiple measurements administered by
different
> > > > parties anyway, because there are likely to be large uncontrollable
> > > sources
> > > > of noise.
> > >
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