On Apr 23, 2016 4:43 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hoi, > Once we, as in the WMF, start paying for content there is no reasonable > argument to pay specific work and not pay for other specific work.
Sure there is. Prioritization based on movement goals, feasibility, achieving parity in underserved areas... >Why > should we pay for additional content in English and not pay for content in > other languages? Because we might care about those things, and factor them into prioritization above? -- brion > > Research is done that may lead to the use of Wikidata for citations. We > have a project called Wikiquote, why not invest attention into Wikiquote. > Really all the basic reasons why work on citations deserves additional > funding is lacking. It does not explain what it will bring us anything that > we cannot get in another way. > > As long as there is no obvious benefit, it would destroy what we are and > how we do things for no obvious benefit. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 23 April 2016 at 16:02, James Salsman <jsals...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > > > > ... > > > > > > > I categorically oppose paying people for content. Enabling them to create > > > content is different. Citations is content and its quality is relevant > > but > > > only that. > > > > > > Why categorically? We already pay hundreds of people for work in support of > > the projects, including reader-facing administrative and content far more > > prominent than citations. We encourage Wikipedian in Residence programs > > where third parties pay for all kinds of content development. The PR > > editing guidelines explicitly recognize that paid content happens anyway, > > we can't control it, but we can offer best practices. We support editing > > assigned as part of academic class requirements. > > > > What reason is there to flatly rule out paying people to find citations > > before measuring the quality and cost/benefit ratio of doing so with a > > variety of both incentive payment models and managers? > > > > > > > > How do people feel about a few of the larger the Chapters funding > > > pilots to > > > > > have professional researchers do > > https://tools.wmflabs.org/citationhunt/en > > > > and a few other main languages? > > > > > > > > It would be great to measure the quality of results of different > > payment > > > > incentive models and rates, but this is not something that the > > Foundation > > > > could do without some risk of breaching the DMCA safe harbor > > provisions, > > > as > > > > far as I can see. Even if I am technically wrong about that, the > > > > appearances would be that it's obvious exertion of what would be > > positive > > > > editorial control, which would still mean a greater likelihood of > > > lawsuits > > > > by disgruntled BLP and corporate subjects who can't win in court but > > can > > > > waste everyone's money. > > > > > > > > But I would rather have multiple measurements administered by different > > > > parties anyway, because there are likely to be large uncontrollable > > > sources > > > > of noise. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>