On 05/06/2017 22:19, Todd Allen wrote: > With the recent ruling about ISPs being allowed to collect and sell user > data in the US, we're at "highly exceptional circumstances". Good Internet > citizens allow anonymous participation. We can soft block them, but surely > we can revert vandals and block their accounts. > > If we can't even manage that, we have problems far deeper than Tor.
On 05/06/2017 22:34, Gabriel Thullen wrote: > I agree that sockpuppets are a real problem, but they manage fine right now > without going through Tor. There are quite a few ways to connect up using > different IPs as it is now, so the real problem remains: the sockpuppeteers > themselves. I understand your point of view and I am sympathetic to it. I also would like to find a solution to this problem right now, but what I have seen reading the past discussions is that in the last 10+ years our community has not been able to find a shared, workable proposal for allowing editing over Tor for everybody. In the end, I trust the opinion of those who have participated in the past discussions (with many very experienced users participating in them) to be better informed than myself on the topic of fighting sockpuppeteers, vandals and spammers. At the same time, what I am proposing is dealing with a single problem at a time, and also a different thing. An onion service would be good regardless of the fact that it can be used just for reading or for reading and writing. To the best of my knowledge, the current proposal shouldn't cause any disruption to the projects with our current policies (and, please, you are invited point out any issues you may see with it). Also, if we see that this service is used then we may have an additional data point to reason about the opportunity of allowing editing over Tor. In other words, if we have many readers maybe we could have some editors, too, and it would be more justified to put some resources towards trying to solve this much harder problem. Cristian _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
