Given the application got 100% of what was requested There would be more value in duplicating the event by flying the speakers in to another location(ie SE Asia, South America) rather than which give a more diverse demographic of people having access the information. We saw this in the value of the WikiDown under tour by Andy which had a greater impact in getting WikiData better supported across multiple cities. https://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Wikidata_Tour_Down_Under
On 29 June 2017 at 17:10, Craig Franklin <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm afraid I don't really see the logic in this. Even if we assume for a > moment that the WMF is sitting on top of an enormous, inexhaustible pile of > cash, it doesn't make sense that it should just splash that money around on > community initiatives without carefully assessing whether it is the best > possible use for that money, and whether additional cash would actually > lead to increased benefits. I'm quite skeptical about the idea that flying > an additional bunch of people for a holiday in Germany, at considerable > expense to the movement, is really the most cost-effective way to develop > Wikidata. It seems especially odd to me that one would be upset about an > event like this not being adequately funded, when it appears that the > organisers got 100% of the funding that they requested. > > Cheers, > Craig > > On 29 June 2017 at 04:39, David Cuenca Tudela <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dariusz, > > > > What is the point of spending the funds frugally if our mission is not > > accomplished? Why do we need to compare an event of this magnitude to a > > small chapter? > > > > The money is there to be used, not to sit on top of it without knowing > what > > to do with it. If the WMF doesn't know what to do with it, at least it > > should go back to the community in the form of grants like this one. And > if > > that is not feasible, then it should be given back to donnors. And if > that > > is not feasible, then we should stop taking so much money because it > seems > > that we don't need it. Or do we? > > > > Cheers, > > Micru > > > > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:02 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > hi David, > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 7:52 PM, David Cuenca Tudela < > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Recently the review for the Wikidata conference grant application has > > > > started, and I have complained that the funds allocated are > insuficient > > > to > > > > cover the needs of the grants. The requested amount for the grants > was > > > > 36,000 EUR, but in my opinion that should be at least 72,000 EUR. > > > > > > > > > > You realize that this is pretty much what an annual budget of a small > > > Wikimedia chapter is, right? > > > > > > > > > > I have the feeling that the WMF is sitting on a pile of money just > > giving > > > > breadcrumbs to the community, and the community has to suffer in > > silence > > > > about this stinginess. > > > > > > > > > > The WMF, just as the movement, has a responsibility to our donors, to > > spend > > > the money wisely and frugally. We surely do not always do so, but we > try. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are there two standards? One standard seems to be that everything > > > that > > > > > > > the WMF needs to allocate can go unsupervised, whereas another standard > > > > seems to apply to community activities where every penny is so > > supervised > > > > that it becomes a pain in the ass to organize anything big. > > > > > > > > > > The WMF's spending is actually reviewed and commented on by the > community > > > and the FDC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Wikidata Conference needs more funds to be a success and I think > > that > > > > in the grand scheme of things, the money requested is just peanuts > > > compared > > > > to the money that the WMF has collected from donors. > > > > > > > > > > I believe we have a responsibility to treat our donor's contributions > > with > > > respect and care. I don't think that 70k Euro is peanuts, and rarely > you > > > will find any foundation or NGO considering such an amount to be > > > insignificant. > > > > > > best, > > > > > > dariusz > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Etiamsi omnes, ego non > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > -- GN. 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