We want these devices to read from Wikipedia. We just want attribution as appropriate. If they are already attributing when they go beyond fair use than all is good.
J On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Cristian Consonni <crist...@balist.es> wrote: > Hi, > > On 27/07/2017 14:36, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > If you look at the comments under Barbara's piece, Greg linked to this > > YouTube video: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZurOYgQLT44 > > since I don't own an Amazon Echo, I will have to rely on the video. > > > I had a look at that video before posting here. (I think it's kind of a > > daft video, but it does a perfectly good job of demonstrating how the > Echo > > works.) > > > > In this video, the lady asks at the beginning, "Alexa, who is Edward > > Snowden?" > > > > The response reflects the lead sentence of the Wikipedia article, such as > > it was at the time. > > > > At 0:30 in the video, she asks "Alexa, who is the FBI?" Again, Alexa > > responds with the lead sentence of Wikipedia's FBI article as it was at > the > > time. > > The video was posted on March 9th, 2017. > > This is the article about Edward Snowden as of March 6th, 2017: > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edward_Snowden&oldid=768899605 > > and this is the article about FBI as of March 7th,2017: > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Federal_ > Bureau_of_Investigation&oldid=769027291 > > The response about Edward Snowden is not verbatim (I had a look also at > some of the previous revisions, and the incipit did not change). It is > very similar for sure and I can see some way to automatically get from > the Wikipedia article incipt to the sentence spoken by Alexa. But at > this point if you rephrase a sentence and use facts I don't think you > are infringing copyright. It could be akin to close paraphrasing[1], but > the quantity of text is limited. > > The response about FBI instead is verbatim. > > In both cases, they may be within the realm of the "right to quote"[2] > (I am not sure this concept exists in US law per se) or "fair use". > > > You say that Alexa reportedly gets some of this from Bing. But even if > > that's the case, how does it make a difference? To me it seems rather > like > > Flickrwashing (Bingwashing?). > > It may totally make a difference. I am not a lawyer, but I think the > question about the copyright status of search snippets and indexes for > search engines has already been addressed by jurisprudence. > > Simply put, the amount of text used changes the situation from "right to > quote"/"fair use" to "derivative work". > > Furthermore, to correctly cite Wikipedia, if snippets would not be > considered under fair use/right to quote, they would need to also cite > the license. > > In this regard, compare the difference - http://imgur.com/gallery/3FQZS > - between the snippets (both from Google and Bing), which do not have a > license indication and the extensive portion of text which is displayed > in the box in Bing which correctly indicates both the link to the > original work and the license. Interestingly, in the case of the FBI, > the box in Bing has less text and no indication of the license. It may > be that they automatically decide that if they are going to show more > than N words/characters then they do not treat the text as a quotation > but as a derivative work and so they show the license. > > I tried with another couple searches and this behavior seems > consistent. If they shw a short chunk of text (~ 1 sentence), they do > not provide the source and link to the license. If they show a big chunk > of text (with a "+" sign) they do. > > The Wikimedia Foundation could ask for a clarification to Amazon, but I > suspect that the answer would not differ very much from above. > > Cristian > > [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Close_paraphrasing > [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_quote > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
