but the information is exactly the same, url, date, author, title - the refn template can include anything you need to add including license detail ie cc-by all of which can be internal or external links
On 28 August 2017 at 00:26, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Citation and reuse is two different things. > > On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > that notice states that text has been used, a specific citation where the > > text would add context by using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ > > Template:Refn > > > > On 27 August 2017 at 22:22, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Use of a template does not accurately identify the copied text, and in > > this > > > case nor the author. > > > > > > The license is the contract with the author and the reason why the text > > can > > > be copied. If the license says the author shall be identified, the by > > > attribution clause, then a link to the site is not good enough. If the > > > share alike clause is given, then it is even harder to give correct > > credit, > > > as the request for credit can be pretty weird. > > > > > > Anyhow, a page that is later edited is not necessarily something the > > > external editor has created, he or she has created a part that at some > > > point in time was incorporated in the page, and the present page may > not > > > even contain this content anymore. > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > There is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:CC-notice on en at > > least > > > > specifically for the purpose of incorporating text licensed cc-by > > content > > > > within articles > > > > > > > > On 27 August 2017 at 21:28, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > In some cases we need to attribute content created on external > sites, > > > and > > > > > reused on Wikimedia-sites. In Norway Åndsverksloven says "The > creator > > > has > > > > > the right to be named according to good practice" ("Opphavsmannen > har > > > > krav > > > > > på å bli navngitt slik som god skikk tilsier") and for our content > > that > > > > is > > > > > given by our license and our terms of use. That means by a link to > > the > > > > page > > > > > if possible, or if possible an entry in the history. > > > > > > > > > > Now we use a template on the page itself, or similar, but it is not > > the > > > > > page on our site that the external entity has provided, they have > > > > provided > > > > > the content at their site. So we must say that in some consistent > > way. > > > > > > > > > > I believe that the best option would be to have a log entry > injected > > > into > > > > > the history for our page that says "this revision comes in full or > > part > > > > > from that external source". Such an entry could be made by the > editor > > > or > > > > by > > > > > an administrator, but must be made as an extension of the revision. > > It > > > > > should also be possible to delete such an entry. > > > > > > > > > > An alternative could be to make the summary editable, but the > summary > > > is > > > > > the description of the revision, not the source of the revision. > > > > > > > > > > Does this make sense? Will it solve the problem, or is it just > > another > > > > > level that makes things more confusing? > > > > > > > > > > John Erling Blad > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject= > unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > GN. > > > > President Wikimedia Australia > > > > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra > > > > Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > GN. > > President Wikimedia Australia > > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra > > Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > -- GN. 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