I am wanting to protect Wikipedians from being impersonated. I am also wanting to protect those on Upworks and other sites from hiring people who are community banned or editing in breach of policy but pretending they are legit. This proposal will help with both of those.
That people sometimes struggle to get help on Wikipedia, while unfortunate, is not the problem this proposal is working to address. If you are using Upworks etc for offering services other than the editing of Wikipedia for pay this proposal does not affect you in anyway. If you are a disclosed paid editor, you already per the terms of use are required to state the intermediaries you are working through and thus you should already be doing this. This proposal will actually help people find "white hat" paid editors who properly disclose. James On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 6:48 PM, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Okey, I may have (or perhaps not) edited a page. Perhaps I have an account > on Upwork (or perhaps not). That page may have been edited because I had a > discussion with someone at Upwork (or perhaps not). I could also been > discussing editing the page at OTRS, but again, perhaps not. > > How can you know that? Because I am "jeblad"? What if I am "honky donky" on > Wikipedia? Do you really believe that because someone said people doing > paid editing should say so actually do so? > > From point b on your RfC "but yet there is no account on Wikipedia that > discloses that account", how do you plan on figuring out which account on > those two systems are the same? To identify the culprit you must connect > two dots, and you don't have enough information about neither of them. > > I am on Upwork because a big and rather well-known organization asked me to > create an account. I have even edited pages! Yay! Go figure which one, and > why! ;p (To make it easy, their initials reads W-M-F, and no it was not > about Wikipedia-editing.) > > I see all the postings from people that ask for help about their wikipedia > pages. People ask for help because the failure of the wikipedia-communities > to provide sufficient help. Going after the people that help them is not a > good solution, it is (sorry) a stupid solution. If someone ask for help, > then help them! > > > On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 2:22 AM, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Why? IMO it will protect users from being impersonated. > > > > It will allow us to more easily have taken down Fivver and Upworks > accounts > > that are pretending to be established Wikipedians. > > > > How would this leak anything? People involve with paid editor are already > > required to disclose the intermediaries through which they work and this > > does not change that. > > > > James > > > > On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 6:19 PM, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Sorry, bad idea. Can't be done and will only lead to stalking and > > > alienating users. (Or rather it can be done, but would imply leakage of > > > identifiable information to such a degree that it would put the > involved > > > organizations on the front pages for weeks.) > > > > > > John Erling Blad > > > /jeblad > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 5:40 PM, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > Have started a meta RfC regarding the above* here > > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/ > > > > interlinking_of_accounts_involved_with_paid_editing_to_ > > > > decrease_impersonation>.* > > > > > > > > This is to help address issues of impersonation of established > > > Wikipedians > > > > by paid editors. > > > > > > > > Further thoughts appreciated. 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