1) The donations from the Wikimedia supporters do not have any strings attached, they are given in good faith with no expectations of anything back. There are many charities that donate to the WMF without any fixed metrics/kpi about what the WMF is doing with the money. Given these two precedents it seems possible in my view to donate money either as an individual or as an organization to another individual/organization without expecting anything from them. And I do not have any information about that fact having a negative impact on any charity organisation that has donated to the WMF in the past. Can you please explain how it would affect negatively the impact status of the WMF or any affiliate if they would donate money with no conditions attached?
2) Can you cite any legal precedent where given donations was considered as taking any kind of role? 3) How is that different from the risk that volunteers are already facing? Do you have any example of a volunteer suffering consequences by receiving a grant from the WMF? Regards, Micru On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 5:19 AM, Gnangarra <[email protected]> wrote: > every grant from the WMF or affiliates have fixed metrics/kpi(key > performance indicators) to ensure the grabt is doing what it set out to do, > failing to do that would negatively impact its charity status. > > on the legal side the issue is centered around whether the wmf has any > editorial oversight, even by giving grants or donations that specifically > focus on the performance of admin/sysop functions of individuals it could > be consider as taking such a role. > > for the individuals sadly volunteers within the community have already > experienced the dark side of what it is to be a wikimedian, to step that up > to receiving some form of payment would potentially make people responsible > for the content or seen as responsible putting them at greater risk. > > > > On 26 May 2018 at 22:49, David Cuenca Tudela <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I have the feeling that we need to clarify what it means to be a "paid > > admin" vs a "community-supported volunteer". > > > > In my definition, a "paid admin" is a person who receives a salary to > > perform a delimited function not necessarily aligned with his/her will. > > There is a contractual obligation where a organization is paying the > person > > in exchange of some tasks. Which is basically the definition of a job. > > > > On the other hand I see a "community-supported volunteer" as a volunteer > > who receives a grant/donation to be able to support himself/herself while > > doing whatever he/she feels like doing in the project (with oversight of > > the community), which normally are core activities that cannot be bundled > > up in a "project grant". > > > > Do these definitions make the distinction clear? > > > > Gnangarra, given those definitions, could you please explain how giving a > > grant/donation to a person shifts the WMF or an affiliate to being > legally > > responsible for the actions of this person? As I see it if I make a > > donation to a person I am not responsible for their actions, but I might > be > > wrong. > > And in which way would that expose them in their countries? > > > > I would also like to express my gratitude to you for participating in > this > > conversation with a simple thank you. > > > > Regards, > > Micru > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > -- > GN. > Noongarpedia: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra > Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com > Out now: A.Gaynor, P. Newman and P. Jennings (eds.), *Never Again: > Reflections on Environmental Responsibility after Roe 8*, UWAP, 2017. > Order > here > <https://uwap.uwa.edu.au/products/never-again- > reflections-on-environmental-responsibility-after-roe-8> > . > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
