Greetings, There was a continuous practice of citing/overciting the FAQ page, sometimes without answering the questions directly. This happened more on the other mailing lists (For example: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2020-April/014589.html )
Now, the /FAQ page, which was being continuously referred to, has a "neutrality of this page is disputed" tag https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/FAQ&oldid=20200949. It earlier had an essay tag. I have read its talk page. Until things are settled, which page is recommended (if there is any)? (Not to anyone in specific, a question/thought in general) Regards, User:Titodutta On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 at 16:57, Tito Dutta <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 at 02:07, Tito Dutta <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ... ... >> FAQ 2.6: "... findings of the 2030 research and planning community review >> [link to email],...." >> -- Perhaps a "link to email" is missing? If it so, it's a minor thing of >> course and can be fixed. >> > -- While revisiting the page I saw the changes have been made. Perhaps a > response to the email could have been better, anyway, thanks for making > changes on the FAQ > > Comment in personal capacity, thanks > User:Titodutta > > >> >> Thanks >> Tito Dutta >> Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to >> remind me over email or phone call. >> >> >> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 23:22, David Gerard <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I think at this point, someone needs to answer: who has predetermined >>> this outcome? >>> >>> It's clear nobody at (say) Samir's level can or will answer this >>> question - just repeat the same things again, as if nobody ever >>> objected. >>> >>> So precisely who is so gung-ho for this idea? >>> >>> >>> - d. >>> >>> On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 13:58, Tito Dutta <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hello, >>> > My comments are in a personal capacity, and kindly note my posts are >>> not >>> > directed towards anyone specifically/at all. Sincere thanks for >>> > understanding these two points. >>> > >>> > " We recommend you to have a look at these updates before making >>> further >>> > conclusions here. >>> > -- Thanks for the recommendation. Kindly do not assume that we are not >>> > reading the updates "before making further conclusions here". >>> > >>> > " the Brand team has been watching the RfC and has written a summary >>> about >>> > it" >>> > --Yes, RfC needs a closure/summary, from which we get action points. >>> Now, >>> > there is something called WP:INVOLVED. Someone who is >>> > supporting/opposing/promoting/demoting an idea or in other words >>> someone >>> > who is "involved" often may not close or summarise a debate/discussion >>> with >>> > due weight to all the arguments. As a result, conclusions may be >>> faulty, >>> > and action points may not reflect the actual opinion of the RfC. >>> Example >>> > below. >>> > >>> > FAQ: Why is this project moving forward after the RfC resulted in clear >>> > majority opposition? >>> > ( >>> > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/FAQ#Why_is_this_project_moving_forward_after_the_RfC_resulted_in_clear_majority_opposition >>> > ?) >>> > -- Even after reading the answer I also don't understand "why?" A >>> point I >>> > get there is "exploring further options". On the report page, "What is >>> > happening with the feedback?" (intended action points section perhaps) >>> is >>> > taking me to FAQ page. From the FAQ page the last paragraph sends me >>> back >>> > to the report page, making it a loop. >>> > >>> > " The team has integrated the feedback of the RfC in the development >>> > process, just as we did with the activities organized by the project >>> > itself. " >>> > -- unlike other statements here any footnote or reference is not given. >>> > Would love to learn what are those activities and how was the RfC >>> feedback >>> > integrated into the agenda/activity. (Please note that I have read the >>> > brand workshop report.) >>> > >>> > That's all for now, with regards, and good wishes during the global >>> > pandemic time, >>> > User:Titodutta >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 14:19, Samir Elsharbaty < >>> [email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > > Hi, the Brand team has been watching the RfC and has written a >>> summary >>> > > about it [1] that was shared both in the RfC [2] and the project >>> page [3] >>> > > in Meta. The team has integrated the feedback of the RfC in the >>> development >>> > > process, just as we did with the activities organized by the project >>> > > itself. >>> > > >>> > > The RfC is covered in the main project page as well as in the FAQ >>> [4]. The >>> > > RfC has been a recurrent topic of discussion in the Brand project >>> talk page >>> > > [5], where we are answering questions and discussing topics whenever >>> they >>> > > are posted. We recommend you to have a look at these updates before >>> making >>> > > further conclusions here. >>> > > >>> > > The RfC is about the use of the word “Wikipedia” in the name of the >>> > > Foundation, and by extension the names of affiliates were discussed >>> as >>> > > well. The project team has clarified that many options for a naming >>> > > convention are being explored. While having Wikipedia as a central >>> concept >>> > > is a project requirement, It is very unlikely that any naming >>> convention >>> > > proposal will be based on a simple substitution of the word >>> "Wikimedia" >>> > > with the word "Wikipedia". Brand systems offer many more >>> possibilities. >>> > > >>> > > Another important point to clarify is that the proposals for naming >>> > > conventions haven’t been defined yet. According to the project >>> timeline >>> > > [6], several proposals for a naming convention will be shared with >>> the >>> > > communities for feedback in May, at the earliest. At the end of this >>> > > review, one proposal will be selected and refined. You can check the >>> > > timeline to learn about further phases with public reviews before >>> the full >>> > > proposal for a brand system is presented to the Wikimedia Foundation >>> > > leadership and the Board. >>> > > >>> > > [1] >>> > > >>> > > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/RfC_Should_the_Foundation_call_itself_Wikipedia >>> > > >>> > > [2] >>> > > >>> > > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Should_the_Foundation_call_itself_Wikipedia#Report_about_this_RfC_by_the_Brand_Project_team >>> > > >>> > > [3] >>> > > >>> > > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project >>> > > >>> > > [4] >>> > > >>> > > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/FAQ >>> > > >>> > > [5] >>> > > >>> > > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Samir Elsharbaty (he/him) >>> > > >>> > > Community Brand and Marketing coordinator >>> > > >>> > > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 1:12 AM David Gerard <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > > Yes. Who's the person telling Samir to post this stuff, which comes >>> > > > across as aggressively ignoring all feedback to date? Could we >>> have a >>> > > > word with them here? >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > - d. >>> > > > >>> > > > On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 14:12, Peter Southwood >>> > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > When you speak for someone who is hard of listening, it is an >>> > > > occupational hazard that you will be shouted at occasionally by >>> those >>> > > whose >>> > > > voices are being ignored. It is not necessarily anything personal, >>> just >>> > > > part of the heat in the kitchen. >>> > > > > Cheers, >>> > > > > Peter >>> > > > > >>> > > > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto: >>> [email protected]] On >>> > > > Behalf Of Yaroslav Blanter >>> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 11:28 AM >>> > > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List >>> > > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a >>> movement? >>> > > > > >>> > > > > In all honesty, this should not have been directed at Samir. I >>> do not >>> > > > think >>> > > > > he has the authority to stop the process. And whoever has >>> probably >>> > > spends >>> > > > > more time in Twitter that in Wikimedia projects. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Best >>> > > > > Yaroslav >>> > > > > >>> > > > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 11:12 AM Tito Dutta <[email protected] >>> > >>> > > wrote: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > There is something called [[WP:IDHT,]] i.e. I didn't hear that. >>> > > > > > No matter how many times, how many people (90% in the RFC) >>> speak, I >>> > > > just >>> > > > > > didn't hear that. >>> > > > > > Kind regards, >>> > > > > > (Comment in personal capacity) >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > Thanks >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 00:15, Samir Elsharbaty < >>> > > > [email protected]> >>> > > > > > wrote: >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Hi All, >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > We wanted to follow up with a brief update on the project >>> timeline >>> > > > and >>> > > > > > > share an invitation to join an event this month. >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > We know there continues to be so much uncertainty in the >>> world, so >>> > > > we are >>> > > > > > > slowing down the process of the project. Big changes are >>> happening >>> > > > to all >>> > > > > > > of us these days. We want to make sure that we respect the >>> time and >>> > > > > > > priorities of the project collaborators. This means updating >>> the >>> > > > project >>> > > > > > > timeline approach to have more flexibility for participants >>> and >>> > > > smaller >>> > > > > > > time commitments [1], revising the project schedule month by >>> month >>> > > > and >>> > > > > > > keeping the Brand Network [2] and other participants >>> informed on a >>> > > > more >>> > > > > > > regular basis with any updates and changes. The naming >>> discussions >>> > > > > > planned >>> > > > > > > for April are now pushed to May, at the earliest. Design >>> proposals >>> > > > are >>> > > > > > > likewise shifted +4 weeks. >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > But we do have things to share: >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > *This month: live brand concept presentation!* >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > To honor, celebrate, and conclude the work around the >>> concepts >>> > > > referred >>> > > > > > to >>> > > > > > > in Essie’s email above [3], Snohetta and the Brand Project >>> team >>> > > will >>> > > > > > > present the Unified Concept LIVE on 16 April, 15:00 - 16:00 >>> GMT. >>> > > > Snøhetta >>> > > > > > > will explain how they used the ideas, feedback and conceptual >>> > > models >>> > > > from >>> > > > > > > the workshops and online exercises to arrive at a final, >>> unified >>> > > > concept. >>> > > > > > > This unified concept will be the foundation for the >>> upcoming work >>> > > > around >>> > > > > > > the naming conventions, visual decisions, and the overall >>> design >>> > > > system. >>> > > > > > > The session will also be recorded and made available for >>> viewing >>> > > > after. >>> > > > > > You >>> > > > > > > can join us using these links. [4] Note: this is not a >>> presentation >>> > > > of a >>> > > > > > > proposal for a naming convention or design. >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Thank you! >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Samir and the brand project team >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > [1] >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/Timeline >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brand_Network >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > [3] https://brandingwikipedia.org/concepts/ >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > [4] Join via Zoom: >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > https://wikimedia.zoom.us/j/769565325 >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Steam via Youtube Live: >>> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS72O6Si94Q >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Samir Elsharbaty (he/him) >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Community Brand and Marketing coordinator >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 10:32 AM David Gerard < >>> [email protected]> >>> > > > wrote: >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > The article itself is spammy brochure-style nonsense, and >>> this is >>> > > > even >>> > > > > > > > after some cleanup. Editorial eyes welcomed. >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sn%C3%B8hetta_(company) >>> > > > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sn%C3%B8hetta_%28company%29> >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > - d. >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 23:16, Samir Elsharbaty >>> > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > The Brand Project Team felt it was important to address >>> the >>> > > > concerns >>> > > > > > > and >>> > > > > > > > > questions around Snøhetta and the English Wikipedia, and >>> have >>> > > now >>> > > > > > added >>> > > > > > > > an >>> > > > > > > > > FAQ about it. [1] Please refer there for the full >>> details about >>> > > > the >>> > > > > > > block >>> > > > > > > > > and what is being done. The project team is in the >>> process of >>> > > > > > updating >>> > > > > > > > the >>> > > > > > > > > project materials, including the FAQ, so feel free to >>> add those >>> > > > pages >>> > > > > > > to >>> > > > > > > > > your watchlist to stay up to date on the latest >>> information. >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Best, >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Samir >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > [1] https://w.wiki/LEF >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Samir Elsharbaty (he/him) >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Community Brand and Marketing coordinator >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 4:43 AM Gnangarra < >>> [email protected] >>> > > > >>> > > > > > wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > This does have feeling of a company creating a >>> financial >>> > > > > > relationship >>> > > > > > > > with >>> > > > > > > > > > the Foundation as way to bypass or backdoor a >>> community ban >>> > > > thats >>> > > > > > > been >>> > > > > > > > > > reviewed already. Over the years I've worked with >>> many >>> > > users >>> > > > who >>> > > > > > > been >>> > > > > > > > > > blocked and help them become productive contributors >>> but >>> > > before >>> > > > > > they >>> > > > > > > > start >>> > > > > > > > > > making recommendation or decisions about who we are >>> there >>> > > > needs to >>> > > > > > be >>> > > > > > > > > > something done to get them back to good standing with >>> the >>> > > > community >>> > > > > > > > first >>> > > > > > > > > > untiil thats taken place. It's like asking the fox >>> to >>> > > > rebuild >>> > > > > > the >>> > > > > > > > hen >>> > > > > > > > > > house, I just dont see how I could support anything >>> they >>> > > > > > recommend. >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > After the dollars, and t=volunteer time that has been >>> pumped >>> > > > into >>> > > > > > the >>> > > > > > > > 2030 >>> > > > > > > > > > strategy shouldnt we already know who we are, as it is >>> that >>> > > > should >>> > > > > > > have >>> > > > > > > > > > been the key starting point for a strategy process. Its >>> > > > > > > comprehensible >>> > > > > > > > not >>> > > > > > > > > > to have known or explored that before deciding where, >>> how, >>> > > why >>> > > > we >>> > > > > > > will >>> > > > > > > > be >>> > > > > > > > > > doing anything for the next 10 years. >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 03:20, David Gerard < >>> > > [email protected]> >>> > > > > > > wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Particularly as they've demonstrated by their >>> actions an >>> > > > > > > > unwillingness >>> > > > > > > > > > > to work with Wikipedia properly: >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive318#Review_of_User:Sn%C3%B8hettaAS_block_please >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > - d. >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 04:34, Peter Southwood >>> > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > I would agree with this in principle. From what I >>> have >>> > > > seen so >>> > > > > > > > far, it >>> > > > > > > > > > > looks like either Snøhetta have not done their >>> homework on >>> > > > how we >>> > > > > > > > > > operate, >>> > > > > > > > > > > or they have the arrogance of PR agencies, don't >>> care, and >>> > > > plan >>> > > > > > to >>> > > > > > > > spin >>> > > > > > > > > > > their way through with smoke and mirrors, flashy >>> pages with >>> > > > lots >>> > > > > > of >>> > > > > > > > buzz, >>> > > > > > > > > > > little content and all the dialogue they can't >>> avoid. Maybe >>> > > > I am >>> > > > > > > > wrong, >>> > > > > > > > > > and >>> > > > > > > > > > > they have just been badly briefed. Who can tell from >>> the >>> > > > outside? >>> > > > > > > > Block >>> > > > > > > > > > > evasion does not bode well for their understanding >>> of the >>> > > > > > > community. >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Peter >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > > > > > > > > > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto: >>> > > > > > > [email protected]] >>> > > > > > > > On >>> > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Pine W >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 8:13 PM >>> > > > > > > > > > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are >>> we as a >>> > > > > > > movement? >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > First, a disclaimer that these comments aren't >>> directed >>> > > > > > > personally >>> > > > > > > > at >>> > > > > > > > > > > > you, Essie. >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Even if money was unlimited, I thought that >>> Snøhetta >>> > > > deserved >>> > > > > > the >>> > > > > > > > > > > > community's trust, and I felt that WMF was a good >>> steward >>> > > > of >>> > > > > > > > resources >>> > > > > > > > > > > > (all of which are questionable), I don't think >>> that this >>> > > > > > project >>> > > > > > > > is a >>> > > > > > > > > > > > good idea. Wikidata is an increasingly important >>> > > component >>> > > > of >>> > > > > > the >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Wikiverse, and there are a some problems with WMF >>> > > > rebranding >>> > > > > > > > itself as >>> > > > > > > > > > > > the Wikipedia Foundation including the risk to the >>> > > > communities >>> > > > > > > and >>> > > > > > > > > > > > affiliates from WMF's political adventures, >>> governance >>> > > > > > problems, >>> > > > > > > > and >>> > > > > > > > > > > > occasional high profile clashes with the >>> community. I >>> > > don't >>> > > > > > think >>> > > > > > > > that >>> > > > > > > > > > > > the costs or the risks here make sense, I wouldn't >>> > > involve >>> > > > > > > Snøhetta >>> > > > > > > > > > > > given its apparent block evasion on English >>> Wikipedia, >>> > > and >>> > > > I've >>> > > > > > > > been >>> > > > > > > > > > > > unimpressed with WMF's handling of this process >>> during >>> > > the >>> > > > past >>> > > > > > > few >>> > > > > > > > > > > > months. >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > I am fine with discussions about branding, but not >>> with >>> > > > this >>> > > > > > > > program >>> > > > > > > > > > > > in its current form. >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > Given the choice, I would freeze this project and >>> > > spending >>> > > > > > > > associated >>> > > > > > > > > > > > with it pending a Meta RfC regarding the >>> community's view >>> > > > on >>> > > > > > > > whether >>> > > > > > > > > > > > this project should continue. 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