On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 at 02:07, Tito Dutta <[email protected]> wrote:
> ... ... > FAQ 2.6: "... findings of the 2030 research and planning community review > [link to email],...." > -- Perhaps a "link to email" is missing? If it so, it's a minor thing of > course and can be fixed. > -- While revisiting the page I saw the changes have been made. Perhaps a response to the email could have been better, anyway, thanks for making changes on the FAQ Comment in personal capacity, thanks User:Titodutta > > Thanks > Tito Dutta > Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to remind > me over email or phone call. > > > On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 23:22, David Gerard <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I think at this point, someone needs to answer: who has predetermined >> this outcome? >> >> It's clear nobody at (say) Samir's level can or will answer this >> question - just repeat the same things again, as if nobody ever >> objected. >> >> So precisely who is so gung-ho for this idea? >> >> >> - d. >> >> On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 13:58, Tito Dutta <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Hello, >> > My comments are in a personal capacity, and kindly note my posts are not >> > directed towards anyone specifically/at all. Sincere thanks for >> > understanding these two points. >> > >> > " We recommend you to have a look at these updates before making further >> > conclusions here. >> > -- Thanks for the recommendation. Kindly do not assume that we are not >> > reading the updates "before making further conclusions here". >> > >> > " the Brand team has been watching the RfC and has written a summary >> about >> > it" >> > --Yes, RfC needs a closure/summary, from which we get action points. >> Now, >> > there is something called WP:INVOLVED. Someone who is >> > supporting/opposing/promoting/demoting an idea or in other words someone >> > who is "involved" often may not close or summarise a debate/discussion >> with >> > due weight to all the arguments. As a result, conclusions may be faulty, >> > and action points may not reflect the actual opinion of the RfC. Example >> > below. >> > >> > FAQ: Why is this project moving forward after the RfC resulted in clear >> > majority opposition? >> > ( >> > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/FAQ#Why_is_this_project_moving_forward_after_the_RfC_resulted_in_clear_majority_opposition >> > ?) >> > -- Even after reading the answer I also don't understand "why?" A point >> I >> > get there is "exploring further options". On the report page, "What is >> > happening with the feedback?" (intended action points section perhaps) >> is >> > taking me to FAQ page. From the FAQ page the last paragraph sends me >> back >> > to the report page, making it a loop. >> > >> > " The team has integrated the feedback of the RfC in the development >> > process, just as we did with the activities organized by the project >> > itself. " >> > -- unlike other statements here any footnote or reference is not given. >> > Would love to learn what are those activities and how was the RfC >> feedback >> > integrated into the agenda/activity. (Please note that I have read the >> > brand workshop report.) >> > >> > That's all for now, with regards, and good wishes during the global >> > pandemic time, >> > User:Titodutta >> > >> > >> > On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 14:19, Samir Elsharbaty < >> [email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > Hi, the Brand team has been watching the RfC and has written a summary >> > > about it [1] that was shared both in the RfC [2] and the project page >> [3] >> > > in Meta. The team has integrated the feedback of the RfC in the >> development >> > > process, just as we did with the activities organized by the project >> > > itself. >> > > >> > > The RfC is covered in the main project page as well as in the FAQ >> [4]. The >> > > RfC has been a recurrent topic of discussion in the Brand project >> talk page >> > > [5], where we are answering questions and discussing topics whenever >> they >> > > are posted. We recommend you to have a look at these updates before >> making >> > > further conclusions here. >> > > >> > > The RfC is about the use of the word “Wikipedia” in the name of the >> > > Foundation, and by extension the names of affiliates were discussed as >> > > well. The project team has clarified that many options for a naming >> > > convention are being explored. While having Wikipedia as a central >> concept >> > > is a project requirement, It is very unlikely that any naming >> convention >> > > proposal will be based on a simple substitution of the word >> "Wikimedia" >> > > with the word "Wikipedia". Brand systems offer many more >> possibilities. >> > > >> > > Another important point to clarify is that the proposals for naming >> > > conventions haven’t been defined yet. According to the project >> timeline >> > > [6], several proposals for a naming convention will be shared with the >> > > communities for feedback in May, at the earliest. At the end of this >> > > review, one proposal will be selected and refined. You can check the >> > > timeline to learn about further phases with public reviews before the >> full >> > > proposal for a brand system is presented to the Wikimedia Foundation >> > > leadership and the Board. >> > > >> > > [1] >> > > >> > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/RfC_Should_the_Foundation_call_itself_Wikipedia >> > > >> > > [2] >> > > >> > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Should_the_Foundation_call_itself_Wikipedia#Report_about_this_RfC_by_the_Brand_Project_team >> > > >> > > [3] >> > > >> > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project >> > > >> > > [4] >> > > >> > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/FAQ >> > > >> > > [5] >> > > >> > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Samir Elsharbaty (he/him) >> > > >> > > Community Brand and Marketing coordinator >> > > >> > > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 1:12 AM David Gerard <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > >> > > > Yes. Who's the person telling Samir to post this stuff, which comes >> > > > across as aggressively ignoring all feedback to date? Could we have >> a >> > > > word with them here? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > - d. >> > > > >> > > > On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 14:12, Peter Southwood >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > When you speak for someone who is hard of listening, it is an >> > > > occupational hazard that you will be shouted at occasionally by >> those >> > > whose >> > > > voices are being ignored. It is not necessarily anything personal, >> just >> > > > part of the heat in the kitchen. >> > > > > Cheers, >> > > > > Peter >> > > > > >> > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:[email protected]] >> On >> > > > Behalf Of Yaroslav Blanter >> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 11:28 AM >> > > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List >> > > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a >> movement? >> > > > > >> > > > > In all honesty, this should not have been directed at Samir. I do >> not >> > > > think >> > > > > he has the authority to stop the process. And whoever has probably >> > > spends >> > > > > more time in Twitter that in Wikimedia projects. >> > > > > >> > > > > Best >> > > > > Yaroslav >> > > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 11:12 AM Tito Dutta <[email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > There is something called [[WP:IDHT,]] i.e. I didn't hear that. >> > > > > > No matter how many times, how many people (90% in the RFC) >> speak, I >> > > > just >> > > > > > didn't hear that. >> > > > > > Kind regards, >> > > > > > (Comment in personal capacity) >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 00:15, Samir Elsharbaty < >> > > > [email protected]> >> > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi All, >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > We wanted to follow up with a brief update on the project >> timeline >> > > > and >> > > > > > > share an invitation to join an event this month. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > We know there continues to be so much uncertainty in the >> world, so >> > > > we are >> > > > > > > slowing down the process of the project. Big changes are >> happening >> > > > to all >> > > > > > > of us these days. We want to make sure that we respect the >> time and >> > > > > > > priorities of the project collaborators. This means updating >> the >> > > > project >> > > > > > > timeline approach to have more flexibility for participants >> and >> > > > smaller >> > > > > > > time commitments [1], revising the project schedule month by >> month >> > > > and >> > > > > > > keeping the Brand Network [2] and other participants informed >> on a >> > > > more >> > > > > > > regular basis with any updates and changes. The naming >> discussions >> > > > > > planned >> > > > > > > for April are now pushed to May, at the earliest. Design >> proposals >> > > > are >> > > > > > > likewise shifted +4 weeks. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > But we do have things to share: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > *This month: live brand concept presentation!* >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > To honor, celebrate, and conclude the work around the concepts >> > > > referred >> > > > > > to >> > > > > > > in Essie’s email above [3], Snohetta and the Brand Project >> team >> > > will >> > > > > > > present the Unified Concept LIVE on 16 April, 15:00 - 16:00 >> GMT. >> > > > Snøhetta >> > > > > > > will explain how they used the ideas, feedback and conceptual >> > > models >> > > > from >> > > > > > > the workshops and online exercises to arrive at a final, >> unified >> > > > concept. >> > > > > > > This unified concept will be the foundation for the upcoming >> work >> > > > around >> > > > > > > the naming conventions, visual decisions, and the overall >> design >> > > > system. >> > > > > > > The session will also be recorded and made available for >> viewing >> > > > after. >> > > > > > You >> > > > > > > can join us using these links. [4] Note: this is not a >> presentation >> > > > of a >> > > > > > > proposal for a naming convention or design. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thank you! >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Samir and the brand project team >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > [1] >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/Timeline >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brand_Network >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > [3] https://brandingwikipedia.org/concepts/ >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > [4] Join via Zoom: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > https://wikimedia.zoom.us/j/769565325 >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Steam via Youtube Live: >> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS72O6Si94Q >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Samir Elsharbaty (he/him) >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Community Brand and Marketing coordinator >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 10:32 AM David Gerard < >> [email protected]> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The article itself is spammy brochure-style nonsense, and >> this is >> > > > even >> > > > > > > > after some cleanup. Editorial eyes welcomed. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sn%C3%B8hetta_(company) >> > > > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sn%C3%B8hetta_%28company%29> >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > - d. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 23:16, Samir Elsharbaty >> > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The Brand Project Team felt it was important to address >> the >> > > > concerns >> > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > questions around Snøhetta and the English Wikipedia, and >> have >> > > now >> > > > > > added >> > > > > > > > an >> > > > > > > > > FAQ about it. [1] Please refer there for the full details >> about >> > > > the >> > > > > > > block >> > > > > > > > > and what is being done. The project team is in the >> process of >> > > > > > updating >> > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > project materials, including the FAQ, so feel free to add >> those >> > > > pages >> > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > your watchlist to stay up to date on the latest >> information. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Best, >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Samir >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [1] https://w.wiki/LEF >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Samir Elsharbaty (he/him) >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Community Brand and Marketing coordinator >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 4:43 AM Gnangarra < >> [email protected] >> > > > >> > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This does have feeling of a company creating a financial >> > > > > > relationship >> > > > > > > > with >> > > > > > > > > > the Foundation as way to bypass or backdoor a community >> ban >> > > > thats >> > > > > > > been >> > > > > > > > > > reviewed already. Over the years I've worked with many >> > > users >> > > > who >> > > > > > > been >> > > > > > > > > > blocked and help them become productive contributors but >> > > before >> > > > > > they >> > > > > > > > start >> > > > > > > > > > making recommendation or decisions about who we are >> there >> > > > needs to >> > > > > > be >> > > > > > > > > > something done to get them back to good standing with >> the >> > > > community >> > > > > > > > first >> > > > > > > > > > untiil thats taken place. It's like asking the fox to >> > > > rebuild >> > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > hen >> > > > > > > > > > house, I just dont see how I could support anything >> they >> > > > > > recommend. >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > After the dollars, and t=volunteer time that has been >> pumped >> > > > into >> > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > 2030 >> > > > > > > > > > strategy shouldnt we already know who we are, as it is >> that >> > > > should >> > > > > > > have >> > > > > > > > > > been the key starting point for a strategy process. Its >> > > > > > > comprehensible >> > > > > > > > not >> > > > > > > > > > to have known or explored that before deciding where, >> how, >> > > why >> > > > we >> > > > > > > will >> > > > > > > > be >> > > > > > > > > > doing anything for the next 10 years. >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 03:20, David Gerard < >> > > [email protected]> >> > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Particularly as they've demonstrated by their actions >> an >> > > > > > > > unwillingness >> > > > > > > > > > > to work with Wikipedia properly: >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive318#Review_of_User:Sn%C3%B8hettaAS_block_please >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > - d. >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 04:34, Peter Southwood >> > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I would agree with this in principle. From what I >> have >> > > > seen so >> > > > > > > > far, it >> > > > > > > > > > > looks like either Snøhetta have not done their >> homework on >> > > > how we >> > > > > > > > > > operate, >> > > > > > > > > > > or they have the arrogance of PR agencies, don't >> care, and >> > > > plan >> > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > spin >> > > > > > > > > > > their way through with smoke and mirrors, flashy >> pages with >> > > > lots >> > > > > > of >> > > > > > > > buzz, >> > > > > > > > > > > little content and all the dialogue they can't avoid. >> Maybe >> > > > I am >> > > > > > > > wrong, >> > > > > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > > they have just been badly briefed. Who can tell from >> the >> > > > outside? >> > > > > > > > Block >> > > > > > > > > > > evasion does not bode well for their understanding of >> the >> > > > > > > community. >> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, >> > > > > > > > > > > > Peter >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > > > > > > > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto: >> > > > > > > [email protected]] >> > > > > > > > On >> > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Pine W >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 8:13 PM >> > > > > > > > > > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List >> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are >> we as a >> > > > > > > movement? >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > First, a disclaimer that these comments aren't >> directed >> > > > > > > personally >> > > > > > > > at >> > > > > > > > > > > > you, Essie. >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Even if money was unlimited, I thought that Snøhetta >> > > > deserved >> > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > community's trust, and I felt that WMF was a good >> steward >> > > > of >> > > > > > > > resources >> > > > > > > > > > > > (all of which are questionable), I don't think that >> this >> > > > > > project >> > > > > > > > is a >> > > > > > > > > > > > good idea. Wikidata is an increasingly important >> > > component >> > > > of >> > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > Wikiverse, and there are a some problems with WMF >> > > > rebranding >> > > > > > > > itself as >> > > > > > > > > > > > the Wikipedia Foundation including the risk to the >> > > > communities >> > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > > > affiliates from WMF's political adventures, >> governance >> > > > > > problems, >> > > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > > > occasional high profile clashes with the community. >> I >> > > don't >> > > > > > think >> > > > > > > > that >> > > > > > > > > > > > the costs or the risks here make sense, I wouldn't >> > > involve >> > > > > > > Snøhetta >> > > > > > > > > > > > given its apparent block evasion on English >> Wikipedia, >> > > and >> > > > I've >> > > > > > > > been >> > > > > > > > > > > > unimpressed with WMF's handling of this process >> during >> > > the >> > > > past >> > > > > > > few >> > > > > > > > > > > > months. >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I am fine with discussions about branding, but not >> with >> > > > this >> > > > > > > > program >> > > > > > > > > > > > in its current form. >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Given the choice, I would freeze this project and >> > > spending >> > > > > > > > associated >> > > > > > > > > > > > with it pending a Meta RfC regarding the >> community's view >> > > > on >> > > > > > > > whether >> > > > > > > > > > > > this project should continue. If the community >> wants a >> > > > branding >> > > > > > > > > > > > project to continue, I would let the community >> decide on >> > > > the >> > > > > > > > project's >> > > > > > > > > > > > parameters and budget, and what if any consultant >> should >> > > be >> > > > > > > > involved. >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Pine >> > > > > > > > > > > > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > > > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> > > > > > > > > > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> > > and >> > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> > > > > > > > > > > > New messages to: [email protected] >> > > > > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: >> > > > > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected] >> > > > > > > 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