Am I reading this correctly?
You were moderated for calling the UCoC flatulence?
Is there some context that makes this much worse than it seems, or do I have a
deeply flawed understanding of civility?
On Sep 9, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Dan Szymborski <dszymbor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's OK. I have much bigger platforms. My apologies for the
> ultra-offensive reference to...flatulence.
>
> Best,
>
> Dan
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 4:03 PM Jackie <jackie.koer...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dan,
>>
>> I hear that you are upset by the suggestion and likely implementation of a
>> Universal Code of Conduct. I also hear that you feel like this is a
>> WMF-driven project. I cannot change your opinion about the UCoC, but I can
>> say your feelings about this being a WMF-driven project are untrue. It
>> doesn't matter how strongly you feel this, it's actually many groups of
>> people working together. It was determined as a major need during
>> discussions I had as part of the Community Health Working Group and I am
>> glad to see this moving forward.
>>
>> I am glad you feel comfortable expressing yourself and your feelings about
>> the UCoC. I also would like to say the way in which people express
>> themselves and mask insults as "lively discussion" is a huge reason why we
>> need a UCoC. To that point, I agree with Isaac and would suggest you share
>> in a (collegiate) conversation on the Meta talk page. I just cannot take
>> you seriously with the language you used in your email. I, however, would
>> love to take your comments seriously and have you engage in a good-faith
>> discussion about the UCoC.
>>
>> Our roles in the discussion should consider not only our needs as
>> individuals but the needs of the broader communities. To dismiss the UCoC
>> is failing to recognize privilege and power structures and their effect on
>> people in and outside of the Wikimedia community.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jackie
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 1:42 PM Isaac Olatunde <reachout2is...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Dan,
>>>
>>> You are allowed to offer an opinion but I Honestly think that's better
>> and
>>> more useful on the Draft talk page.
>>>
>>> That being said, by "effective vote or representation in the
>> proceedings",
>>> you probably expected a different model where different language
>>> Wikip(m)edia community would be represented or vote on weather to have a
>>> UCoC.
>>>
>>> The current model isn't bad. I do think we should review the draft and
>> if
>>> there are specific wording we disagree with, we can either suggest
>>> improvement or removal altogether. I honestly think we need to help and
>>> support the drafting committee at this stage.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Isaac
>>>
>>> On Tue, 8 Sep 2020, 19:25 Dan Szymborski, <dszymbor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm also perfectly free to express to the IRS that I'd really like to
>>> get a
>>>> $10 million check from them at tax time. The ability to offer an
>> opinion
>>> on
>>>> proceedings with no effective vote or representation in the proceedings
>>> is
>>>> about as good as a fart in the wind. I'd prefer the WMF keep its
>>> flatulence
>>>> to itself.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 2:17 PM Isaac Olatunde <
>> reachout2is...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On the contrary, I do not think this is an imposition by the Board or
>>> WMF
>>>>> as we are allowed to comment on the draft, and suggest improvement.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been following the process closely and I do not see anything
>>> that
>>>>> looks like an "imposition"
>>>>>
>>>>> The Universal Code of Conduct is not a substitute to the existing
>>> policy
>>>> or
>>>>> guidelines but a behavioural guidelines expected of users in any
>>>> Wikimedia
>>>>> project.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Isaac
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 8 Sep 2020, 16:11 Dan Szymborski, <dszymbor...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As this is being explicitly imposed by the board from above without
>>>>>> community approval, participating in any way is ethically unsound.
>>>> Doubly
>>>>>> so without a board election preceding this as the WMF has
>> arbitrarily
>>>>>> denied communities the right, as manifested in the election of the
>>>>>> community seats, to voice their opinions of actions that WMF has
>>> taken
>>>>> over
>>>>>> the last 18 months. A collaborative process is a collaborative
>>> process
>>>>> when
>>>>>> it's actually a collaborative process, not just when it's called
>> one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The best use of time at this point is to organize the communities
>> to
>>>> use
>>>>>> every means at its disposal to resist such an imposition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 4:18 PM Patrick Earley <
>> pear...@wikimedia.org
>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello, everyone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are excited to share a draft of the Universal Code of Conduct
>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct>,
>> which
>>>> the
>>>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees called for earlier this
>> year
>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/May_2020_-_Board_of_Trustees_on_Healthy_Community_Culture,_Inclusivity,_and_Safe_Spaces
>>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>> for your review and feedback. The discussion will be open until
>>>> October
>>>>>> 6,
>>>>>>> 2020.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The UCoC Drafting Committee
>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>> to learn which parts of the draft would present challenges for
>> you
>>> or
>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> work. What is missing from this draft? What do you like, and what
>>>> could
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> improved?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many thanks to the Committee, and everyone who has helped with
>>>>>> translations
>>>>>>> so far.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please join the conversation
>>>>>>> <
>>>>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review
>>>>
>>>>>>> and share this email with others who may be interested to join,
>>> too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To learn more about the UCoC project, see the Universal Code of
>>>> Conduct
>>>>>>> page
>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct>, and
>>> the
>>>>> FAQ
>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/FAQ>,
>>> on
>>>>>> Meta.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/May_2020_-_Board_of_Trustees_on_Healthy_Community_Culture,_Inclusivity,_and_Safe_Spaces
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [3]
>>>>>>
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review
>>>>>>> [4]
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/FAQ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Patrick Earley
>>>>>>> Policy Manager, Trust and Safety
>>>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation
>>>>>>> pear...@wikimedia.org
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