Hi Andres, I am not Maggie (definitely here) but as far as I know, some members from the zhwp are also affected. If I am correct, it is their email being removed and password got reset.
William On Tue, 14 Sept 2021 at 16:45, Andreas Kolbe <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Maggie, > > Thanks for your post; I have two questions. > > 1. What is the status of Mardetanha, the Iranian steward and past (even > very recent) author of Wikimedia blog posts (which link his real name to > his user name)?[1][2] > > Judging by https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=21964430 where he > says, using his alt account, > > Yes, we are all locked until "voluntarily" resign to get back our account > back [[User:Mard|Mard]] ([[User talk:Mard|talk]]) 12:06, 1 September 2021 > (UTC) > > his account must be locked. But I can't find any recent actions related to > his account in the public logs on Meta.[3] What am I missing? > > 2. Speaking of project capture, the Kazakh Wikipedia was captured by state > actors almost a decade ago (with the Foundation's blessing at the time, and > public regrets later[4]). > > Are there any functionaries in Kazakhstan that will be impacted by these > changes? > > Andreas > > [1] https://diff.wikimedia.org/author/mohsen-salek/ > [2] > https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/north-africa-west-asia/persian-wikipedia-independent-source-or-tool-iranian-state/ > [3] > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=&page=User%3AMardetanha&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers > [4] > https://eurasianet.org/wikipedia-founder-distances-himself-from-kazakhstan-pr-machine > > On Monday, September 13, 2021, Maggie Dennis <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi, again. >> >> I just realized I failed to answer one of the questions. I'm sorry; it's >> rather late in my day, and I didn't mean to overlook it. In addition to >> what was noted earlier, I believe it was 12 other users who were contacted >> and asked to adjust their behavior to work within community policies, >> especially regarding "canvassing" and good faith collaboration with other >> users. >> >> Best, >> Maggie >> >> On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 6:21 PM Maggie Dennis <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, all. >>> >>> First, our apologies for the translation. We had hoped to provide this >>> service to make it easier for our Chinese language communities, but clearly >>> it didn't work out as we had hoped. I'm enormously grateful to say that a >>> Chinese translation is now available on Meta: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Office_actions/September_2021_statement/zh >>> <3 We are actively seeking to increase our capacity in Chinese and several >>> other languages, and I hope some people will apply! >>> https://boards.greenhouse.io/wikimedia/jobs/3374682?gh_src=b62d5dae1us >>> >>> With respect to the NDA policy change, this was indeed very obliquely >>> addressed on September 1st here >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Access_to_nonpublic_personal_data_policy#Answers_to_some_questions_around_policy_change>,[1] >>> at which point we felt the need to be very oblique in our response because >>> we were still actively attempting to communicate with all users impacted. >>> We knew, of course, that experienced Wikimedians would be able to connect >>> the dots but were hoping to avoid attracting external attention by bad >>> actors that might put some of these people in danger. Not being a lawyer, >>> I'm still a little nervous about saying the wrong thing (my teams were more >>> involved in implementing than directing that policy change), but it's >>> probably obvious to everyone by now that you have correctly named the >>> immediate jurisdictions of concern. >>> >>> I do want to say, though, that the policy was written to address a >>> challenge which is likely to be ongoing: we are not just in danger of >>> infiltration, but of attack through the extortion or potentially >>> persecution of publicly identifiable people with access to personal >>> information. The intention is not to shut down access to everyone in every >>> such jurisdiction who has ever blocked Wikimedia sites, but to flag for the >>> Foundation's legal department the need to review in such cases. Because of >>> that, depending on the current risks of which we are aware, the list of >>> impacted jurisdictions may change. I would hope that people will not >>> hesitate to apply; rejection of a signed NDA in such cases is by no means a >>> personal judgment and may be a step taken to protect not only our >>> communities, but those users themselves and those they love. >>> >>> Best, >>> Maggie >>> >>> >>> [1] >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Access_to_nonpublic_personal_data_policy#Answers_to_some_questions_around_policy_change >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 5:43 PM effe iets anders < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you Maggie, for the announcement. It's a sad day, and I'm sure >>>> there were many sad actions that resulted in this. >>>> >>>> Two questions from my end: >>>> * Could you commit to making a better translation available (through >>>> community processes or otherwise) for the record? I think this decision may >>>> be referred to quite a bit in the future, so it's valuable to have an >>>> accurate translation available to the Chinese community. >>>> * What countries are affected currently by the NDA decision >>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Confidentiality_agreement_for_nonpublic_information&diff=prev&oldid=21925066&diffmode=source>? >>>> It is suggested that China and Iran are, but I can't find an authoritative >>>> list (but may be looking at the wrong place). This would be helpful for >>>> volunteers from countries that are wondering if they should even bother to >>>> apply for positions. The definition "blocked access" is a bit fluid. I'm >>>> assuming here that the fact that a country is on this list, is not a secret >>>> in itself. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Lodewijk >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 11:06 AM William Chan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Leo, >>>>> >>>>> I think that this is a Google Translation product. But yes, it is in >>>>> such bad shape where even Chinese natives can barely read. But I >>>>> acknowledge the fact that the urgency and secrecy of the matter made >>>>> consulting external parties, to the extent, even contractors working for >>>>> WMF, impossible. >>>>> >>>>> To Maggie, >>>>> >>>>> May I ask if there is a certain number for the amount of users linked >>>>> with the unrecognized user group being warned? There is no request for the >>>>> list of users, just the number would be fine. The Wikipedia communities in >>>>> Hong Kong need to access the total damage dealt to the user group who had >>>>> persistently engaged in activities harassing the safety of Hong Kong >>>>> Users. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> William Chan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 14 Sept 2021 at 01:58, Leo Z <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Maggie, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the prompt response. I do not know who those ‘native >>>>>> speakers’ are, perhaps that’s just a way to avoid providing language >>>>>> proficiency certificate. I do not know. Google translation might even do >>>>>> better. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am more than certain that this translation is not just faulty or >>>>>> unsatisfactory, but terrible if not horrifying, disastrous, or outright >>>>>> shocking for an acclaimed international organization. The issue for this >>>>>> specific translation is not with 'movement-specific' terms, but a >>>>>> significant lack of elementary understanding regarding the fundamental >>>>>> grammatical structure of the Chinese language. I will refrain from >>>>>> listing >>>>>> specific examples here (there are plenty), but those mistakes are >>>>>> hilarious, if not outright absurd. Whoever translated this text might >>>>>> barely pass an AP Chinese exam. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please consult a professor in Chinese language at Berkeley or CCSF or >>>>>> even just a language school, or perhaps consult someone from ChinaSF, >>>>>> maybe >>>>>> even a Chinese speaking professional from HSBC or wherever. There are >>>>>> plenty, if you feel it’s necessary. I’m more than certain they will offer >>>>>> similar opinions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sincere hope for a better translation, >>>>>> Leo >>>>>> On Sep 14, 2021, 1:17 AM +0800, Maggie Dennis <[email protected]>, >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello, all. >>>>>> >>>>>> A few responses. >>>>>> >>>>>> First, Nathan and William, we will share as much information as we >>>>>> can, but will need to be careful about what we say about the individuals >>>>>> involved for legal and safety reasons. This is indeed related to >>>>>> increasing >>>>>> resilience across Wikipedias and not at all specifically for ZhWP. I do >>>>>> think it's important for us to offer some additional support there, given >>>>>> the current situation, but we are looking at increasing safety >>>>>> everywhere. >>>>>> >>>>>> Leo, thank you for your feedback on the translation, which was >>>>>> provided by native Chinese speakers. Since I myself am completely unable >>>>>> to >>>>>> read Chinese, I don't know the nature of the issue, but I do know that in >>>>>> the past we have had some issues with movement-specific terms being >>>>>> translated. I recall once when "free in speech" was mistranslated as >>>>>> "free >>>>>> as in beer" - which we always deliberately try to avoid. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Maggie >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 12:45 PM Nathan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Maggie, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you for taking these very difficult actions to protect both >>>>>>> the members of our community as well as the values that it seeks to >>>>>>> uphold. >>>>>>> I also appreciate the degree of transparency provided and hope that more >>>>>>> information will be disclosed as it is appropriate. I imagine questions >>>>>>> will be asked about how these individual accounts were selected for >>>>>>> office >>>>>>> actions and the contours of the risk both to the individuals behind >>>>>>> these >>>>>>> accounts and the wider community. Any information that the WMF is able >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> safely share will help all of us understand better what the threats are >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> how we may better support the movement's goals in jurisdictions where >>>>>>> our >>>>>>> values are not respected. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you again, >>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], >>>>>>> guidelines at: >>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>>>>> Public archives at >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/VOHDBMA7WWDK6TMTDZNN6B6XX7AL5J4G/ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Maggie Dennis >>>>>> She/her/hers >>>>>> Vice President, Community Resilience & Sustainability >>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], >>>>>> guidelines at: >>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>>>> Public archives at >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/IXB5VLKSTKRUZZKINOBL5G2SBFZAHQ6L/ >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], >>>>>> guidelines at: >>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>>>> Public archives at >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/ZNQ67MBPILWRNQRNCAQO3Z2LQNTRTEHN/ >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], >>>>> guidelines at: >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>>> Public archives at >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/C5DXH2AKIVE7FQDSKHWQRJ4QOTJ3J6UY/ >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], >>>> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>> Public archives at >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/JI3NKK7LNM74EM65DJKNIHRCR37BMU2R/ >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Maggie Dennis >>> She/her/hers >>> Vice President, Community Resilience & Sustainability >>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. >>> >> >> >> -- >> Maggie Dennis >> She/her/hers >> Vice President, Community Resilience & Sustainability >> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/V3LWJHSR7MSXWYXIQTBMFFRVCSTYZ7HK/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
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