Michal, stop those personal attacks. No one lies to you, nor to anyone else. Matej is a good and fair chairman. I am exhausted from watching time and again your unfounded accusations on Matej, me, and whoever you mind. Please, stop it!
Radoslava Semanová Vice-chair of Wikimedians Slovakia User group ut 26. 10. 2021 o 21:55 Michal Matúšov <[email protected]> napísal(a): > Hi. > > Just a small factual update: > > In the presented list of issues there is: > "Allegedly AffCom informed representatives of WUG WMSVK that it was me who > canceled the proposed mediation about WUG WMSVK's long-term bylaws > violations (while it is false - I haven't cancelled it) and AffCom never > ever confirmed to me whether it really provided this false information (to > my best Knowledge it was AffCom (or maybe someone who ordered it to > AffCom?) who canceled the mediation; but AffCom never clarified it to me > even after my explicit requests)" > > Thanks to Matej Grochal, the Chair of WUG WMSVK, who has shed light on > this topic! He confirmed that AffCom did **not** make this untruthful > communication to WUG WMSVK (as he had stated before). Rather, Grochal / > WMSVK have connected some data points in a wrong way, came to wrong > conclusion and presented it as a clear truth about someone else behaviour. > Although, it would be definitely helpful if AffCom would clearly stated it > when I have asked it. So we could move forward sooner and not waste time, > effort and energy asking AffCom for answer and WUG WMSVK for proof. > > Regards > KuboF Hromoslav (Michal Matúšov) > > > po 25. 10. 2021 o 12:32 Michal Matúšov <[email protected]> > napísal(a): > >> Dear Mehman (and Wikimedia folks in copy for transparency), >> >> I am contacting you as you are currently the highest responsible person >> (Vice-Chair) in the Affiliations Committee. >> >> As Manavpreet Kaur (current AffCom's Staff Liaison) is candidating for >> a Movement Charter Drafting Committee, and AffCom is for (at least) months >> showing issues about its work, which I consider that would be detrimental >> for the work of the Movement Charter Drafting Committee if they would be >> present there, and it is unclear what it Manavpreet's role in these >> AffCom's issues, I ask you to publicly respond to the questions below. (I >> have already asked Manavpreet to respond them but she have stated that she >> won't be able to respond them [1] [2]) >> >> (I present the questions first and the context below, so it is easier for >> low-involved folks to get the core part) >> >> *Questions:* >> >> >> 1. *Do you personally consider the AffCom's happenings presented >> below to be in line with Wikimedia Foundation Guiding Principles >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Guiding_Principles> >> (especially Transparency and Accountability)?* >> 1. *If not, has Manavpreet done already something to rectify >> AffCom's activity to be in full alignment with them? What >> has Manavpreet done?* >> 2. *If yes, please briefly clarify how (in your opinion) they are >> showing Transparency and Accountability.* >> 2. *What is Manavpreet's role in the AffCom's happenings presented >> below?* (have Manavpreet supported / encouraged / decided them? or >> have Manavpreet tried to prevent them / discourage them? or have >> Manavpreet >> just fully neutraly executed decisions that leaded to them? have >> Manavpreet >> presented objections that the decisions are against Wikimedia Foundation >> Guiding Principles or similar rules / recommendations / ...? or something >> else? please be concrete) >> 3. As much of the presented cases show AffCom's issues about clear, >> proactive communication, *do you consider Manavpreet to be capable >> enough to clearly, proactively, helpfully communicate in the high >> responsibility role of Movement Charter Drafting Committee member?* >> 1. *If it is not Manavpreet who is the source of AffCom's >> communication issues, who is?* >> 4. *Do you believe that Manavpreet will not "import" AffCom-like >> issues to the Movement Charter Drafting Committee? If yes, on what basis?* >> >> >> *Context:* >> >> I am in contact with Manavpreet mostly because of her role of Staff >> Liaison of Affiliations Committee >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee> (AffCom), which >> relates with my roles of (ex)Chair of some Wikimedia Affiliations. While >> AffCom have for years reputation of slowresponsedness, it was understanable >> because of its structure (which, in turn, is understanable because of its >> high responsibilities) and was rather only a little anoyance, not a big >> deal. But that have changed (for worse) at least several months ago and >> AffCom is still very reluctant to provide more information about it. >> Several specific cases for ilustration: >> >> - AffCom put on hold the recognition of User Group Esperanto and Free >> Knowledge >> >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Esperanto_kaj_Libera_Scio> >> as >> a Thematic Organisation and informed the UG only reactively (after my >> question), after unreasonably long time (after the expected deadline for >> recognition) and provided false information as the reason; even after >> several messages AffCom haven't revealed the requested information about >> the pausing >> - In February 2021, Meta admins deferred to AffCom the determination >> of some specific hard Requests for deletion >> >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_deletion/Archives/2020#Wikimedians_of_Slovakia's_Annual_Report_2018> >> with >> intention to implement AffCom's determination; despite Manavpreet (in >> her official WMF role) have considered it as a priority concern >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Diff/21238644>, Affcom have >> not provided its determination to Meta admins even after 7 months (as >> stated by 3 Meta admins - 2 of them confirming publicly: Xaosflux >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Diff/21998260> and Camouflaged >> Mirage <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Diff/22000846> (by >> their alternative account)) >> - AffCom was for several months totally unresponsive about proposed >> recommendations to make WUG Wikimedians of Slovakia >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Slovakia> to obey its >> User Group Agreement >> - For quite long time AffCom have been requiring (that time not yet a >> WUG) Wikimedians of Slovakia >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Slovakia> (WUG WMSVK) >> to change its legal name to be recognized as a WM User Group, what blocked >> the recognition for more than year, but suddenly after the recognition , >> AffCom agreed to accept Wikimedians of Slovakia >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Slovakia>'s prefered >> official name which was for long time totaly unaccepted by AffCom >> - Allegedly AffCom informed representatives of WUG WMSVK that it was >> me who canceled the proposed mediation about WUG WMSVK's long-term bylaws >> violations (while it is false - I haven't cancelled it) and AffCom never >> ever confirmed to me whether it really provided this false information (to >> my best Knowledge it was AffCom (or maybe someone who ordered it to >> AffCom?) who canceled the mediation; but AffCom never clarified it to me >> even after my explicit requests) >> - AffCom is for months in silence about various questions and >> proposals about WUG WMSVK for whom is AffCom fully responsible since >> December 2020 >> - As AffCom in December 2020 took full responsibility for WUG WMSVK, >> AffCom is fully reponsible for: >> - WUG WMSVK falsely publicly presents the meeting on March 2019 as >> a valid Meeting of General Assembly >> >> <http://wikimedia.sk//wp-content/uploads/2019/07/WMSK-VZ-20190309-ZAP.pdf> >> despite >> it clearly violates WUG WMSVK's bylaw and several WUG WMSVK's board >> members >> have already stated it, also publicly >> - It is still not clear whether WUG WMSVK's meeting in March 2021 >> was a valid Meeting of General Assembly, as evidence suggest it was >> not, >> despite AffCom being repeatedly warned in advance about this >> possibility >> - WMF is publicly hosting documents produced by WUG WMSVK that >> contain false, defamatory information about myself (en >> >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Slovakia/Reports/2018/en> >> , sk >> >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Slovakia/Reports/2018/sk>) >> despite Manavpreet assurance that WUG WMSVK will rectify them >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Diff/21238644> >> - WUG WMSVK is no longer publicly presenting its *Annual plans* >> >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Slovakia/Annual_agendas> >> despite >> its tradition of presenting them publicly, and is not presenting >> publicly >> its *Financial reports* and *Annual Budgets* despite the tradition >> of publicly presenting such documents and having the capacity to >> create at >> least *Annual budget* since at least 2018. All of these 3 >> documents are required to be prepared every year by WMSVK's Board. >> >> I understand that Manavpreet personally is not an AffCom and not a voting >> member. At the same time, I understand that Manavpreet is a paid staff >> member whose job is liaisoning for AffCom and is often in contact with at >> least some affiliations and proposed affiliations. So Manavpreet's >> responsibility to AffCom is still present, although I do not know what is >> its span. >> >> [1] >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Manavpreet_Kaur#Your_role_in_AffCom%27s_issues_in_relation_to_your_Movement_Charter_Drafting_Committee_member_candidacy >> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Diff/22236019 >> >> Looking for your answers! >> KuboF Hromoslav (Michal Matúšov) >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/376VB7L655LJT34DBMW5JNOOOLUPXRFY/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
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