Radoslava, I hoped that the next time for me to contribute here I would only slightly correct some small misunderstandings... But with you it is going to be more than slightly... Nevertheless, you have personally addressed me, so...
Also, please the next time respect the topic of this thread and do not mix it with others (it is about AffCom / Manavpreet, not about Matej / WUG WMSVK). First of all, I am *not* doing personal attacks. It may seem like that because in order to interact about human happenings it is quite necessary to talk about persons. (violations are not happening by themselves, they are persons who do them - for someone these can be hard to distinct...) But if you would look at my messages with effort to understand, you would (hopefully) get that I am pursuing truth and agreements and want people to honor their agreements (as AffCom is required by the Board of Trustees to follow the WMF Guiding Principles). My informations (not accusations, as you have presented!) stays on solid ground. This list is not an appropriate place to present them (especially as there is going to be a dedicated investigation of AffCom in about 2 weeks, and AffCom is already working to help WUG WMSVK), but in private I have already provided much, much, much more than reasonable evidence to you, to WMSVK and to AffCom and personally helped you to understand it. Some of this evidence is publicly available, so if someone want to find it, it is possible. The evidence also put a big asterisk on your statement that "Matej is a good and fair chairman", or maybe we have very different understanding of these terms. Also, you are a Board member of WUG WMSVK and you are highly responsible for some situations that are exhausting you now. If you really want them to stop, you are in a great position to do meaningful actions - I have already provided some recommendations what specifically WUG WMSVK can do to get on track on honoring its User Group Agreement ;-) Best regards KuboF Hromoslav (Michal Matúšov) st 27. 10. 2021 o 0:20 Radoslava F. Semanova <radoslav...@gmail.com> napísal(a): > Michal, > > stop those personal attacks. No one lies to you, nor to anyone else. Matej > is a good and fair chairman. I am exhausted from watching time and again > your unfounded accusations on Matej, me, and whoever you mind. Please, stop > it! > > Radoslava Semanová > Vice-chair of Wikimedians Slovakia User group > > ut 26. 10. 2021 o 21:55 Michal Matúšov <kubof.hromos...@gmail.com> > napísal(a): > >> Hi. >> >> Just a small factual update: >> >> In the presented list of issues there is: >> "Allegedly AffCom informed representatives of WUG WMSVK that it was me >> who canceled the proposed mediation about WUG WMSVK's long-term bylaws >> violations (while it is false - I haven't cancelled it) and AffCom never >> ever confirmed to me whether it really provided this false information (to >> my best Knowledge it was AffCom (or maybe someone who ordered it to >> AffCom?) who canceled the mediation; but AffCom never clarified it to me >> even after my explicit requests)" >> >> Thanks to Matej Grochal, the Chair of WUG WMSVK, who has shed light on >> this topic! He confirmed that AffCom did **not** make this untruthful >> communication to WUG WMSVK (as he had stated before). Rather, Grochal / >> WMSVK have connected some data points in a wrong way, came to wrong >> conclusion and presented it as a clear truth about someone else behaviour. >> Although, it would be definitely helpful if AffCom would clearly stated >> it when I have asked it. So we could move forward sooner and not waste >> time, effort and energy asking AffCom for answer and WUG WMSVK for proof. >> >> Regards >> KuboF Hromoslav (Michal Matúšov) >> >> >> po 25. 10. 2021 o 12:32 Michal Matúšov <kubof.hromos...@gmail.com> >> napísal(a): >> >>> Dear Mehman (and Wikimedia folks in copy for transparency), >>> >>> I am contacting you as you are currently the highest responsible person >>> (Vice-Chair) in the Affiliations Committee. >>> >>> As Manavpreet Kaur (current AffCom's Staff Liaison) is candidating for >>> a Movement Charter Drafting Committee, and AffCom is for (at least) months >>> showing issues about its work, which I consider that would be detrimental >>> for the work of the Movement Charter Drafting Committee if they would be >>> present there, and it is unclear what it Manavpreet's role in these >>> AffCom's issues, I ask you to publicly respond to the questions below. (I >>> have already asked Manavpreet to respond them but she have stated that she >>> won't be able to respond them [1] [2]) >>> >>> (I present the questions first and the context below, so it is easier >>> for low-involved folks to get the core part) >>> >>> *Questions:* >>> >>> >>> 1. *Do you personally consider the AffCom's happenings presented >>> below to be in line with Wikimedia Foundation Guiding Principles >>> >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Guiding_Principles> >>> (especially Transparency and Accountability)?* >>> 1. *If not, has Manavpreet done already something to rectify >>> AffCom's activity to be in full alignment with them? What >>> has Manavpreet done?* >>> 2. *If yes, please briefly clarify how (in your opinion) they are >>> showing Transparency and Accountability.* >>> 2. *What is Manavpreet's role in the AffCom's happenings presented >>> below?* (have Manavpreet supported / encouraged / decided them? or >>> have Manavpreet tried to prevent them / discourage them? or have >>> Manavpreet >>> just fully neutraly executed decisions that leaded to them? have >>> Manavpreet >>> presented objections that the decisions are against Wikimedia Foundation >>> Guiding Principles or similar rules / recommendations / ...? or something >>> else? please be concrete) >>> 3. As much of the presented cases show AffCom's issues about clear, >>> proactive communication, *do you consider Manavpreet to be capable >>> enough to clearly, proactively, helpfully communicate in the high >>> responsibility role of Movement Charter Drafting Committee member?* >>> 1. *If it is not Manavpreet who is the source of AffCom's >>> communication issues, who is?* >>> 4. *Do you believe that Manavpreet will not "import" AffCom-like >>> issues to the Movement Charter Drafting Committee? If yes, on what >>> basis?* >>> >>> >>> *Context:* >>> >>> I am in contact with Manavpreet mostly because of her role of Staff >>> Liaison of Affiliations Committee >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee> (AffCom), >>> which relates with my roles of (ex)Chair of some Wikimedia Affiliations. >>> While AffCom have for years reputation of slowresponsedness, it was >>> understanable because of its structure (which, in turn, is understanable >>> because of its high responsibilities) and was rather only a little >>> anoyance, not a big deal. But that have changed (for worse) at least >>> several months ago and AffCom is still very reluctant to provide more >>> information about it. Several specific cases for ilustration: >>> >>> - AffCom put on hold the recognition of User Group Esperanto and >>> Free Knowledge >>> >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Esperanto_kaj_Libera_Scio> >>> as >>> a Thematic Organisation and informed the UG only reactively (after my >>> question), after unreasonably long time (after the expected deadline for >>> recognition) and provided false information as the reason; even after >>> several messages AffCom haven't revealed the requested information about >>> the pausing >>> - In February 2021, Meta admins deferred to AffCom the determination >>> of some specific hard Requests for deletion >>> >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_deletion/Archives/2020#Wikimedians_of_Slovakia's_Annual_Report_2018> >>> with >>> intention to implement AffCom's determination; despite Manavpreet >>> (in her official WMF role) have considered it as a priority concern >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Diff/21238644>, Affcom have >>> not provided its determination to Meta admins even after 7 months (as >>> stated by 3 Meta admins - 2 of them confirming publicly: Xaosflux >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Diff/21998260> and Camouflaged >>> Mirage <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Diff/22000846> (by >>> their alternative account)) >>> - AffCom was for several months totally unresponsive about proposed >>> recommendations to make WUG Wikimedians of Slovakia >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Slovakia> to obey >>> its User Group Agreement >>> - For quite long time AffCom have been requiring (that time not yet >>> a WUG) Wikimedians of Slovakia >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Slovakia> (WUG >>> WMSVK) to change its legal name to be recognized as a WM User Group, what >>> blocked the recognition for more than year, but suddenly after the >>> recognition , AffCom agreed to accept Wikimedians of Slovakia >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Slovakia>'s prefered >>> official name which was for long time totaly unaccepted by AffCom >>> - Allegedly AffCom informed representatives of WUG WMSVK that it was >>> me who canceled the proposed mediation about WUG WMSVK's long-term bylaws >>> violations (while it is false - I haven't cancelled it) and AffCom never >>> ever confirmed to me whether it really provided this false information >>> (to >>> my best Knowledge it was AffCom (or maybe someone who ordered it to >>> AffCom?) who canceled the mediation; but AffCom never clarified it to me >>> even after my explicit requests) >>> - AffCom is for months in silence about various questions and >>> proposals about WUG WMSVK for whom is AffCom fully responsible since >>> December 2020 >>> - As AffCom in December 2020 took full responsibility for WUG WMSVK, >>> AffCom is fully reponsible for: >>> - WUG WMSVK falsely publicly presents the meeting on March 2019 >>> as a valid Meeting of General Assembly >>> >>> <http://wikimedia.sk//wp-content/uploads/2019/07/WMSK-VZ-20190309-ZAP.pdf> >>> despite >>> it clearly violates WUG WMSVK's bylaw and several WUG WMSVK's board >>> members >>> have already stated it, also publicly >>> - It is still not clear whether WUG WMSVK's meeting in March 2021 >>> was a valid Meeting of General Assembly, as evidence suggest it was >>> not, >>> despite AffCom being repeatedly warned in advance about this >>> possibility >>> - WMF is publicly hosting documents produced by WUG WMSVK that >>> contain false, defamatory information about myself (en >>> >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Slovakia/Reports/2018/en> >>> , sk >>> >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Slovakia/Reports/2018/sk>) >>> despite Manavpreet assurance that WUG WMSVK will rectify them >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Diff/21238644> >>> - WUG WMSVK is no longer publicly presenting its *Annual plans* >>> >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Slovakia/Annual_agendas> >>> despite >>> its tradition of presenting them publicly, and is not presenting >>> publicly >>> its *Financial reports* and *Annual Budgets* despite the >>> tradition of publicly presenting such documents and having the >>> capacity to >>> create at least *Annual budget* since at least 2018. All of these >>> 3 documents are required to be prepared every year by WMSVK's Board. >>> >>> I understand that Manavpreet personally is not an AffCom and not a >>> voting member. At the same time, I understand that Manavpreet is a paid >>> staff member whose job is liaisoning for AffCom and is often in contact >>> with at least some affiliations and proposed affiliations. So Manavpreet's >>> responsibility to AffCom is still present, although I do not know what is >>> its span. >>> >>> [1] >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Manavpreet_Kaur#Your_role_in_AffCom%27s_issues_in_relation_to_your_Movement_Charter_Drafting_Committee_member_candidacy >>> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Diff/22236019 >>> >>> Looking for your answers! >>> KuboF Hromoslav (Michal Matúšov) >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/376VB7L655LJT34DBMW5JNOOOLUPXRFY/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/QNZ6BLDA6ZTJCFFSOQSHAV4TL5AWXJN6/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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