+1 to this! It can be quite helpful for smaller sites. Thanks for the idea Tilman.
🌍🌏🌎🌑 On Wed, Aug 16, 2023, 3:37 PM Tilman Bayer <haebw...@gmail.com> wrote: > Apropos Google Search Console: > > This might also be an opportunity to make public at least some of the data > that Search Console provides to site owners. That should enable community > members (especially from smaller projects) to detect such issues earlier > and in a more systematic fashion - compared to the kind of experimentation > on individual URLs that gave rise to > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T325607 in this case. And also, to take > a broader view, to think more systematically about content aspects of SEO. > (Some of the smaller projects have been quite interested in this, see e.g. > https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Search_engine_optimization .) > If you are an editor of a non-Wikimedia website, Search Console is a > standard tool to help understand where your readers are coming from, how > they may be accessing your work and where your site may have issues > that prevent them from doing so. There is no reason to assume it couldn't > be quite useful for editors on Wikimedia wikis too. > > Publishing some of the Search Console data was already considered a couple > of years ago as part of the conversations about > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172581 . Back then, there was a sense > that while there might be some privacy considerations regarding the more > granular data, other parts could be made available with relatively little > effort. > > Regards, Tilman > > On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 9:41 PM Sohom Datta <dattasoh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Has anyone tried telling the Google Search Console to index all the >>> Wikisource language domains? Presumably a Foundation sysadmin would >>> need to add the ownership verification tokens to do so: >>> https://search.google.com/search-console/welcome >> >> >> This has already been done for a while. >> >> >>> for what I've read, it suffices to generate a sitemap file with >>> MediaWiki and how to submit it to Google. There is a script for >>> that: generateSitemap.php. >>> >> Once done, the sitemap has to be updated regularly in order to include >>> the new pages. >> >> >> I did look into this, but it seems like we do not generate sitemaps for >> any sites right now ? The closest I got was >> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198965 which mentions that we did >> generate them around 2018 and hosted them on sitemaps.wikimedia.org, >> however they were recently (in Jun 2023) deleted due to the sitemaps being >> out of date and not helping our SEO rankings for Wikipedia. >> >> Also while digging this up right now, I came across >> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T332101#8898869 which assumes that >> Google uses a RCFeed/EventStreams API provided by the Wikimedia Foundation >> to index pages. Is this true in the case of Wikisource, could it be >> possible that they (Google) might not be using this for Wikisource and/or >> Wikisource pages are getting filtered out (on Wikimedia Foundation's end) >> due to some configuration error ? >> >> Regards, >> Sohom Datta >> --- >> Open-source contributor @Wikimedia, @Chromium >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 8:59 PM Amir Sarabadani <ladsgr...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T325607#8846296 and onwards >>> >>> Am Di., 1. Aug. 2023 um 17:27 Uhr schrieb Lauren Worden < >>> laurenworde...@gmail.com>: >>> >>>> Has anyone tried telling the Google Search Console to index all the >>>> Wikisource language domains? Presumably a Foundation sysadmin would >>>> need to add the ownership verification tokens to do so: >>>> https://search.google.com/search-console/welcome >>>> >>>> -LW >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 7:53 AM Dušan Kreheľ <dusankre...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Hm. >>>> > >>>> > Page: La akonca (1888) (be.wikisource.org) >>>> > Created day with the last modification: 17:26, 7 July 2023 CEST >>>> > Indexed by Google: 7. júl 2023 18:21:14 UTC >>>> > >>>> > Not indexed: https://be.wikisource.org/wiki/Alkahol_(1913) >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > 2023-08-01 8:47 GMT+02:00, Bodhisattwa <bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com>: >>>> > > Hello all, >>>> > > >>>> > > Apologies for cross-posting. >>>> > > >>>> > > For those who have not noticed till now, Google is not indexing any >>>> > > Wikisource language editions for the last couple of years which >>>> practically >>>> > > means that any Wikisource contents in any languages, which are being >>>> > > created in these years, are not searchable on Google and hence >>>> largely >>>> > > remain invisible on the web. >>>> > > >>>> > > This is an extremely demotivating and frustrating situation for the >>>> > > existing Wikisource volunteers to witness, draining away all of our >>>> past >>>> > > and current efforts to bring and retain viewers, readers, GLAM >>>> partners and >>>> > > any potential new editors. We already have a very low awareness and >>>> > > visibility about Wikisource among general internet users due to >>>> lack of >>>> > > organized support in these years but the invisibility on Google >>>> search >>>> > > engine could become the last nail in our coffin, unless it is fixed >>>> soon. >>>> > > >>>> > > There is a phabricator ticket raised by Darwinius back in December >>>> 2022 - >>>> > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T325607. >>>> > > >>>> > > Can't this issue be put into priority by sys admins and WMF to work >>>> upon? >>>> > > Wikisource is still a sister project of Wikimedia and it needs some >>>> very >>>> > > basic care, after all. >>>> > > >>>> > > Regards, >>>> > > Bodhisattwa >>>> > > (Bengali Wikisource volunteer) >>>> > > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >>>> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>> > Public archives at >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/4O7NJ2YXXQRNEEI5ZVKI4WVN2KLZUDTH/ >>>> > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >>>> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>> Public archives at >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/252G5BCKCEPHBAOFCIDTNMYPBKY5XTUQ/ >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Amir (he/him) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/NVLORXXIJJGT2JIDD43EBKMT7VBYMZVA/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/MFXIHXWIVYHPTH6HEEIS5YOWRQFESDSB/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/IDN4VA2UAW3YRI52S5QVP2RRW2GXLHQS/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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