I think it would be fascinating to discover what would happen if we had a Foundation interested in enforcing Wikipedia's copyleft rather than subverting it.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2026, 7:07 AM Gerard Meijssen via Wikimedia-l < [email protected]> wrote: > Hoi, > When we are to grow our exposure, there are many approaches possible but > the issue is first and foremost about exposure. Exposure means eyeballs. I > have been thinking about this and given that I am more and more frustrated > with the search results of google, my suggestion is to provide a search > engine based on our references. For now I call it WikiFind. > > I blogged about it several times.. you can find more here. > <https://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/search/label/WikiFind> > Thanks, > Gerard Meijssen > > > > On Fri, 3 Jul 2026 at 21:23, Christophe Henner via Wikimedia-l < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I love this discussion, thank you all for speaking up. :) >> >> One note on "the community can just do it," I do think it's the right >> direction, so please read the next couple of paragraphs as a friendly >> amendment (just to make sure everyone's on the same page) rather than a >> pushback. >> >> "The community can just do it," feels very appealing right now: because >> we are missing ownership and leadership, self-organizing is kinda the only >> option with that vacuum. It probably is the best tool we have to >> rebuild/respark the ownership we are missing. >> >> That being said, a couple of comments: >> >> 1. Community means staff too, to me. Many of the people the movement pays >> are also among its most committed contributors, so let us not run this as >> volunteers versus the Foundation/paid staff. I know it sometimes reads >> simplistic, but we're all in the same boat, or at least we should be. >> >> 2. At this scale the work will need people with dedicated time on it. >> Because the Foundation is not taking leadership doesn't mean it doesn't >> have a responsibility. The Foundation owns most of the resources in the >> movement, and if we, as a movement, are to change/evolve, we need those >> resources. It can't rely only on volunteers. However, I'm not saying we >> need X, Y or Z, just that we will need people with dedicated time at some >> point. >> >> Brooke, to your comment on the Foundation being a service organisation, I >> would agree if the Foundation was being supportive. But it's neither >> leading the change nor being supportive on that topic, in my opinion. And >> don't anyone get me wrong, I do know how hard it is first hand to do either >> (or both), but I also know it can happen. And I hope they'll take the first >> opportunity to join in the discussion. >> >> Speaking of opportunities, I've started a second thread with an >> invitation to meet next week. It's a bit of last minute notice, but I'd >> love to keep the momentum :) >> >> >> -- >> Christophe >> >> >> On Fri, 3 Jul 2026 at 00:10, Samuel Klein via Wikimedia-l < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear Nada, excellent framing. It is entirely in our control to fix >>> outreach, build welcoming and forgiving environments, make strides with >>> less-resource languages and communities. >>> >>> Christophe, thanks again for persisting in this thread (and planning a >>> range of activities around Wikimania!) I see many people engaged with >>> these topics who don't want to engage in discussion about angst over >>> current problems, but are deeply enthusiastic about, and actively engaged >>> in, building new things / working on new possibilities. >>> >>> Brooke writes: >>> > Wikimedia is a participatory system... We have to put in the work >>> ourselves. >>> >>> Absolutely. The civilized netizen's first duty is to be always >>> prepared to rewrite <https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Umberto_Eco> anything >>> truly important from scratch. >>> >>> Galder writes: >>> >>>> One correction: I'm not a trustee! >>>> >>> >>> But we surely trust you, including to make the world's best Txikipedia. >>> >>> We have many good ideas and talented people in the community. We do >>> need persistent spaces to discuss and make plans, in part because in >>> the last growth spurt we fragmented communication channels across hundreds >>> of pages, sites, lists, and apps. Recombining many of those streams would >>> be good for coherence and continuity. >>> >>> But our wikis are better suited to experimenting, reverting, and >>> iterating than distilling large-scale consensus. Quick decisions by >>> ~sortition (or by the first few people to turn up) help polish the roughest >>> edges. Having spaces that push back against the iron law >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_oligarchy> of oligarchy and >>> preserve freedom to experiment is essential, even when simultaneously >>> waiting for delayed consensus. >>> >>> Our strongest shared identity is as people committed to building >>> freely-licensed knowledge together, in every language, accessible to the >>> entire world. More people care about this today than ever before. We simply >>> have to make space for it again. >>> >>> 𝐖♡, SJ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines >>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/RJV4EYFT53SYRNXZPOMP54CXTRGWLNB3/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/UZBRT3CYMTTGU47QIT2NKACDWIBSGRW7/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/67XLUKVYNSO4HZG2OZ3KPN7YAI4TK2YU/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
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