Hi Clément, This should answer your legal question :
admin.ch : « Haltereigenschaft(en) nach SVG » / « Qualité(s) de détenteur selon la LCR » https://www.regress.admin.ch/fileadmin/redaktion/Dienstleistungen/Ausbildung/d/Bt_Haltereigenschaften_nach_SVG_d_2013.pdf https://www.regress.admin.ch/fileadmin/redaktion/Dienstleistungen/Ausbildung/f/Bt_Haltereigenschaften_nach_SVG_f_2013.pdf I agree with your view that you should clarify the situation and your respective roles with WMCH before using the drone. In my interpretation, if WMCH reserves for itself the right to decide who is allowed to use or steer the drone, if it is up to WMCH to decide whether the drone is in an appropriate state to be used, and if WMCH pays for the exploitation cost, they would be considered the Halter / détenteur. If the association delegates this role to you, you would be the Halter / détenteur, independently from the fact that the association is the owner of the drone (most likely even if the association is re-funding the exploitation cost). Probably it would be wise to have a written agreement with the insurance company that the association is to be considered the Halter / détenteur whenever the drone is being used by en employee or a member of the association, and to have an agreement between the association and the users of the drone regarding the conditions of use (e.g. users have to prove that they are able to steer it; the use is only allowed in the interest of association goals). Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer. So take this information and advice at your own risk. Cheers, Beat From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Clément Bucco Sent: Freitag, 14. Februar 2014 13:33 To: Wikimedians in Switzerland Subject: [Wikimediach-l] Drone and insurance Hello all, Short abstract: The association has a drone, currently in Geneva. The swiss legislation is permissive, but one must have an insurance to use it. As the drone is WMCH's property, who should get the required insurance ? More generally, what about insurance for equipment and volunteers ? L'association dispose d'un drone, actuellement à Genève. La législation suisse est permissive, mais il faut avoir une assurance pour l'utiliser. Comme le drone est la propriété de WMCH, qui devrait obtenir l'assurance requise? De manière plus générale, qu'en est-il de l'assurance du matériel et des bénévoles ? Der Verein hat eine Drohne, die derzeit in Genf ist. Das Schweizer Gesetzgebung ist permissive, aber man muss eine Zusicherung haben, es zu benutzen. Wie die Drohne ist WMCH Eigentum, wer die erforderliche Zusicherung erhalten sollte? Ganz allgemein, was über die Versicherung der Ausrüstung und der Freiwilligen? Long version: In light of the actuality in France, where a young boy have been prosecuted for filming with a drone (in French: http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2014/02/14/un-lyceen-poursuivi-pour-avoir-filme-nancy-a-l-aide-d-un-drone_4366386_3224.html ), may I remind you that the association is the proud owner of a DJI Phantom (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMCH_Drone.jpg), a drone that can be used in combination with a GoPro to take pictures. Examples are here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Media_supported_by_Wikimedia_CH_-_Drone The swiss legislation is by far more permissive than the French one when it comes to drones. An abstract is avalaible here: http://www.bazl.admin.ch/dienstleistungen/02658/index.html However, the law states "Afin de garantir les prétentions des tiers au sol, l'exploitant doit conclure une assurance responsabilité civile d'une somme de 1 million de francs au moins./Die Haftpflichtansprüche von Dritten auf der Erde sind vom Halter oder von der Halterin durch eine Haftpflichtversicherung mit einer Garantiesumme von mindestens 1 Million Franken sicherzustellen.". My question is: Who is the "exploitant/Halter" ? Is it the association or is it the person piloting the drone ? * Can the association have a formal and legal advice on this ? * Can the association get an insurance for the volunteers piloting the drone ? This also raise the question of insurance for the equipment owned by the association, and for the volunteers and their equipment while participating in events for the association. * If one causes damage with the association equipment, or if the association equipment is damaged or stolen, how are we insured ? * If my equipment is damaged or stolen while participating to an event for the association ? I think those are important questions, that need a real answer. Just for information, I will not fly the WMCH drone until the situation is clear, as I think this is to jeopardizing for me. Clément/Pleclown
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