Dear All,
I support Mandar's and Ganesh's point of view. Old logo looks like wrong
spelling - "Vikri"/"Chikri". New logo is correct. Its impossible to
comprehend that people will vote for the old logo; specifically after
looking at the new one.

Mitul

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Mandar Kulkarni
<mvkulkarn...@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

>
>
>  Dear All,
>
>
> I completly agree with Ganesh. There are more than 1 Bn people in India and
> most of them understand Devnagari either by use of Marathi, Hindi or some
> other languages.
>
> We had raised this point many times and looks like as if the old logo is so
> close to somebody's heart (even if it is wrong), it is not been allowed to
> change. My concern is that this type of voting was done some weeks back when
> the new design of logo was suggested, where is the result of that?
>
> When it clearly reveals the the old logo is Wrong and a common man reads as
> "Vikri" and "Chikri", why not to change. Is it going to cost millions of rs.
> to change or there is a wastage of millions dollars in this. Why the people
> are resisting so much to change. If your own first name is been drafted
> wrongly by someone by giving the reason of "flow of design" will you
> accept that?
>
> Tomorrow, due to some unforeseen things, if we need to change the date or
> venue for the wiki-conferecne, will you keep the same header and ask people
> to find the new date and new place as it is part of logo?
>
> I also tried in my office to read the logo. 60% people read that as VIKRI
> and 40% read that as CHIKRI. No body read that correctly. The main purpose
> of wiki-conferecne is to reach as many as people and get more & more
> new editors and new contributors, then if the new people of not
> understanding it, what impression they would be putting in there mind?
>
> I request all the people to think on this sensibly and change to new logo.
>
> With Regards,
>
> Mandar V. Kulkarni
>
>   *From:* ganesh gajre <ganeshga...@gmail.com>
> *To:* wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com
> *Cc:* Pradeep <pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com>; WikiConference India <
> wikiconference-in...@lists.wikimedia.org>; Wikipedia India Mailing List <
> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>; Wikipedia Mumbai Mailing List <
> wikimedia-in-...@lists.wikimedia.org>; ramraosa...@gmail.com; Amit
> Dhakulkar <dam...@gmail.com>; Rafikh Shaikh <rafikh...@gmail.com>;
> Nagarjuna G. <nagar...@gnowledge.org>; sudhanwa....@gmail.com; Mandar
> Kulkarni <mvkulkarn...@yahoo.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 28 September 2011, 0:26
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimedia-in-mum] [WikiConference-India 2011] Vote for the
> Conference Logo
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:42 PM, <wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  The vote has taken place and this matter is now closed.
>
> No more replies on this thread, please!
>
>
>  When we talk about Wikipedia we have rights to change if it's wrong
> because that is the freedom given by FSF community and which carried forward
> by Wikipedia Community.
> It doesn't matter if we got vote out for new logo, and other says the old
> logo is best... I openly like to keep the survey...
>
> For test, I just run a small survey in my office only 4 people,
>
> And people read it as "Chikree".
>  Is there anyone who reads Devnagari properly except those who vote for new
> logo?
>
> If your design creates the problem to read/ Understand  it by end user then
> what is the use of it.
>
> And I don't mind to read it as " *विक्री*" conference...  because the way
> discussion going for Secretarial post, even issues of logo, even
> participating debate...commanding one and above,  The motto of WIKI it's get
> into the Sale of WIKIPEDIA, especial India Community,  but definitely don't
> want to read it as "*चिक्री"* conference.
>
> I am sorry, I am too harsh for this but it's the fact.
> I would like others to go through it once again and make the changes if
> possible. Run a survey wherever you work and get's the feedback I am sure
> everyone will say the same thing.
>
> Hope the readers understand what is the meaning of freedom and right to
> act.
>
>
>   Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:39:39 +0530
> From: ganeshga...@gmail.com
> To: pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
> CC: wikiconference-in...@lists.wikimedia.org;
> wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; wikimedia-in-...@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-in-mum] [WikiConference-India 2011] Vote for the
> Conference Logo
>
>
> I guess,
>
> We are going to the wrong direction. The current logo creating problem to
> understand what it means while reading it.
>
> I believe on "Simplicity is always beautiful when it can be understand by
> all." The new logo is simple but can understand easily.
>
> Because we are Wikipedians and we read hindi, marathi we feel it's
> OK...Logo says "WIKI" but the person who is not familiar to hindi, marathi
> wikipedia he reads it as "Vikree" or "Chikree".
>
> I will suggest to keep new logo.
>
> This is suggestion and would like if other members strongly think about it.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
> pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> hi,
>
> I think the decision is pretty clear with a lot more people going for the
> old logo. The decision is hence to stick with the current logo.
>
> Just for the sake of completion:
> 1. Stay with the old logo = 10
> 2. Change to new logo = 6
> 3. No clear indication given = 1 (Vishal - although we could include him in
> the change to new logo bloc as well as the old logo bloc)
>
> Let's call this discussion closed! I am happy that several people
> participated in the process and hope we all continue to do so!
>
> warm regards,
> Pradeep Mohandas
>
>
>
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