+1 Ashwin I wikifyed 72 articles in october wikify drive, More than 60 articles are related to India. I will try to cleanup/wikify 3/4 articles every week. So join me :)
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.bain...@gmail.com>wrote: > True, Pranav. Vast though the information on web & limited/full preview > Google Books may be, it is a fraction of the information locked up in a > single library like Pune University. Some topics are too well referenced > while others are scarce. > > > Warm regards, > > Ashwin Baindur > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Achal Prabhala <aprabh...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Ahem <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Oral_Citations>. >> >> On Tuesday 29 November 2011 03:20 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: >> > There seems to be a little bit of misunderstanding. I was talking of >> > English Wikipedia and livability of English references. >> > >> > I have helped a couple of articles attain GA status. We conducted a PR >> > for FA status and realised some of the refs need to be changed. At GA >> > level they were accepted due to YES:POV, however to attain FA they >> > need to be changed to better refs. We have had to give a break and >> > wait for such refs to come up before we can proceed. >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:17:21 +0530 >> > From: ashwin.bain...@gmail.com >> > To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Quality Issues with English Wikipedia >> > >> > I agree partially with you, Pranav. Yes, finding reliable sources in >> > Indic languages can be quite a challenge. >> > >> > My own personal view is this - But while a source may be in a language >> > but its utility as a reference is basically language neutral. That >> > means a source in any language can be used providing you can read it >> > and cite it. I dont see so many places where sources are not available >> > in English but are available in indic languages. For vast majority of >> > article subjects, english language web can provide all the sources you >> > can possibly need. What is needed is NOT to have an attitude where >> > anything English is painted as a villain. >> > >> > Warm regards, >> > >> > Ashwin Baindur >> > ------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:09 PM, <wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com >> > <mailto:wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Bigno, Ashwin - you hit the nail on the head. >> > >> > One other point I dont see mention is availability of reliable >> > sources. For Indian articles, that is something that can be >> > difficult to find at times. >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:01:57 +0530 >> > From: ashwin.bain...@gmail.com <mailto:ashwin.bain...@gmail.com> >> > To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > <mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Quality Issues with English >> Wikipedia >> > >> > >> > Srikanth, I find it a bit difficult to believe that the reason you >> > said is the only reason why English editting stopped. It must be a >> > combination of many things- >> > >> > * Retirement and reduction of editting by long term editors >> > * For some reason, the same pleasure no longer felt in editting. >> > * Hostile atmosphere, lots of rules & edit-warring. >> > * Switching part of effort to Indic, Commons, GLAM, Outreach etc. >> > * Lesser recruitment of newbies. >> > etc >> > >> > Anyway, whatever be the causes, I think you and I and all of us >> > agree that we need to make WikiProject India a happening place >> again. >> > >> > Warm regards, >> > >> > Ashwin Baindur >> > ------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan >> > <parakara.gh...@gmail.com <mailto:parakara.gh...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Hisham, >> > Do note, we had ALL that till two years ago. >> > Since the offline meetups have begun, a lot of English editors >> > have now reduced editint to concentrate on outreach activities >> > and all. >> > --Re, >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Hisham <his...@wikimedia.org >> > <mailto:his...@wikimedia.org>> wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Ashwin Baindur wrote: >> > >> > This is a letter to all Indian editors of the English >> > Wikipedia requesting discussion, cooperation and help. >> > >> > Recently I was asked to give a three to four minute >> > presentation on the state of WikiProject India on >> > English Wikipedia for the session on state of Indic >> > Wikipedias at the recently concluded WikiConference in >> > Mumbai. At first I thought nothing about the matter, >> > but as I was compiling the report, I came across >> > statistics which would horrify any of us. >> > >> > To begin with, as of time of writing this post, >> > WikiProject India has a total of 90,021 articles. This >> > is a very large number and second only to Hindi >> > Wikipedia's 100,588 articles. Since all these English >> > articles cover only India or some aspect of its >> > geography, history, culture or its people, this set of >> > 90,000+ articles is important to all Indians, >> > representing the largest core of knowledge about India >> > on any Wikipedia project. >> > >> > But all of this is not high quality stuff. User:Svick >> > on English Wikipedia provides a useful service to >> > WikProjects on English Wikipedia. He provides a >> > WikiProject-wise listing of articles which have >> > improvement tags such as {{unreferenced}}, >> > {{cleanup}}, {{copyedit}} and so on. In his report for >> > WikiProject India, at the following url: >> > >> > >> http://toolserver.org/~svick/CleanupListing/CleanupListingByCat.php?project=India >> > < >> http://toolserver.org/%7Esvick/CleanupListing/CleanupListingByCat.php?project=India >> > >> > >> > >> > you will find that of the 79435 articles in this >> > project which were assessed by Svick, a total of 52077 >> > articles or 65.6 % are marked for cleanup, with 86271 >> > issues in total. These are tagged with 82 different >> > types of tags, the most populous being : >> > >> > * Articles with unsourced statements (6815) >> > * Articles lacking reliable references (1989) >> > * Articles needing additional references (4840) >> > * Articles lacking sources (8970) >> > * BLP articles lacking sources (1297) >> > * Articles needing cleanup (2751) >> > * Articles containing potentially dated statements >> (9317) >> > * All articles needing coordinates (14571) >> > * Articles to be expanded (1020) >> > >> > Besides this, there are 40,338 articles unassessed for >> > importance and 20,527 for quality, making a backlog of >> > 60,865 assessments. >> > >> > In addition, of the 90,000+ articles, there are 43,843 >> > stubs and 10,986 start class articles. All these need >> > to be developed in time also. >> > >> > Besides these are a very large number of cryptic >> > articles, articles pertaining to India but not tagged >> > on the talk page with the WikiProject banner. The >> > articles themselves sometimes need more cleanup tags >> > than are marked at present. >> > >> > You may have read Sven Manguard's special opinion >> > editorial in the Signpost some time ago >> > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-10-31/Opinion_essay >> > < >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3aWikipedia_Signpost/2011-10-31/Opinion_essay >> > >> > >> > wherein he has drawn attention to the hundreds of >> > thousands of articles needing cleanup and improvement >> > on Wikipedia as a whole. That is exactly the issue >> > with WikiProject India, as of now. >> > >> > To me it appears that - Something needs to be done >> > URGENTLY. >> > >> > My own suggestion is that this can easily be tackled >> > if all of us do a little bit every day. Many hands >> > make light work. There are about 450 active editors >> > listed on the WikiProject members page. If each of us >> > decided to do just one cleanup task each day, then we >> > can do away with 1,64,500 odd problems in a year. Over >> > time, these issues will fall to negligible levels. >> > >> > Please reply to this thread with your views. Firstly, >> > do you agree with me. Is there a problem or am I >> > sensationalising the case? What exactly are the issues >> > and how do we resolve them. Can we as Indians rise to >> > the challenge and bring down these backlogs to >> > manageable levels. Please give us any ideas, inputs, >> > insights or critiques that may occur to you. >> > >> > Many thanks for your note, Ashwin. I think this is a >> > really important discussion and I agree wholeheartedly >> > with you about the need to do something, and the need to >> > do it urgently! >> > >> > I notice your initiative to Collaboration of the Month on >> > a select set of nominated articles - and that's fantastic. >> > That's exactly the kind of stuff that needs to be done. >> > >> > Here are few thoughts that I had >> > >> > * We need to create a sense of community and >> > collaboration. It would really be nice if as many >> > interested editors as possible sing up. One comment >> > I've heard from some wikimedians is that there isn't >> > enough collaborative editing. Can we create some >> > vehicle for this? For instance, can we take some time >> > out in community meetups and do a little bit for one >> > or more of these articles? Can we create some kind of >> > mini-events equivalent to hackathons? For instance, >> > can we create an Edit Utsav every (just throwing this >> > out as an example) on Sunday afternoons every week? >> > * We need to make a start - no matter how small Even if >> > you choose to do 2 articles per month for >> > Collaboration of the Month, that's great and we should >> > take it from there and slowly build up. >> > * We need to create excitement and momentum. For this >> > to happen, we need to be generous in our celebration. >> > I think every article that interested editors work on >> > as part of your Collaboration of the Month should be >> > celebrated - on this mailing list, on the WP:INDIA >> > talk page, on various social handles (let's >> > shamelessly exploit Tinu's vast fan following here) >> > and maybe even in the press. >> > * We need to have something to work towards (in your >> > parlance, a beachhead... :-)). I have an idea. >> > There are a bunch of discussions happening on various >> > offline initiatives. One challenge that these will >> > face will be to select a reasonable set of acceptable >> > quality articles on India. I don't know what that >> > number should be or how long it should take - but >> > whatever the determinations are on both of these, what >> > if you have these work with the offline initiative >> > (which I also know is also very dear to your heart.) >> > * We need to magnify an already big message. One common >> > refrain I've heard from many who are interested in >> > editing Wikipedia is the equivalent of "everything is >> > covered; I don't know what to edit". Asking folks in >> > India to edit about India is a powerfully relevant >> > message - and one that they are likely to intuitively >> > connect with. ..and as you've outlined, there is no >> > shortage of articles - many of great importance / >> > relevance. Maybe this could be a message covered in >> > every outreach sessions that community folks >> > undertake? [Edit] India! >> > >> > >> > In all of this, do let me know if there is anything we can >> > do to help and we'll do our best. >> > >> > Best >> > >> > hisham >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > <mailto:Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences >> > visit >> > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Regards, >> > Srikanth Ramakrishnan. >> > Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. >> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > <mailto:Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences >> > visit >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l >> > mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > <mailto:Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> To unsubscribe from >> > the list / change mailing preferences visit >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > <mailto:Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l >> > mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from >> > the list / change mailing preferences visit >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > -- Ansuman Giri * ଓଡ଼ିଆ ଉଇକିପିଡ଼ିଆ * http://twitter.com/smileyansu * _______________________________________________ Wikipedia Odia (Oriya) mailing list wikipedia...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-or facebook.com/OdiaWiki Tweet @OdiaWiki *
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