I strongly concur with the most of the thoughts of Ashwin below. The need of the hour is the build the strong Indian Wikipedias and Wiki-communities within India. IMHO, We are too early to host a Wikimania in India. While we had a successful Wikiconference Mumbai, I think we all agree that we were still short of lot of hands and infrastructure. Based on my experiences of attending previous Wikimanias, I can say that the standards should be much high, when you are hosting a Wikimania, where more than 500+ international delegates attend. ( Except yea, in Gdansk ;) )
My personal suggestion is that we withdraw the bids for Delhi / Mumbai for Wikimania 2013. We should a host a few more Wiki-Conferences at different cities in India annually, till we are mature enough for a Wikimania ( may be in 2014-16). Also, there is no need of a national Wikiconference on the same year we are hosting a Wikimania. Regards Tinu Cherian On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.bain...@gmail.com>wrote: > As one intimately involved in the planning and execution of the last > WikiConference India, we need to have a cold rational thought on this > process for bidding for Wikimania, not hubris. > > Without prejudice to User:Vibhijain, a bid from Delhi cannot be made > unilaterally by an under-age editor who is not in a position to > execute any of the responsible roles. There should be a requirement > for each bidding city community to show support and backing. Otherwise > the bid should be thrown out. > > That Delhi has editors is without question, the real question is does > Delhi have a strong and united wikicommunity which will be able to > take on this kind of huge commitment? There are few signs of such an > established community, not withstanding lot of relatively new editors > such as Noopur taking up new activities to do which hopefully will > lead to a strong and vibrant community in the future. > > For the reasons mentioned above, the Delhi bid should be re-examined > in all seriousness. > > I'm not siding with Mumbai either. In my opinion, we should have a few > more WikiConferences India before we ask for Wikimania. India needs > WikiConference Indias, not to host the international community. It is > akin to the person who has not yet furnished his house or setup his > residence in a city falling over himself to invite others from > outside. > > WikiConference India 2011 stretched the volunteer community of the > nation's Wikipedians and was possible due to the unflinching support > of so many others not from the city. Which is as it should be. So can > the country deal with both a WikiConference and Wikimania in the same > year? I think not. Suppose another city, say Kolkata hosted > WikiConference India, where would the funds, volunteers attention go? > I think it is a raw deal for the city hosting the WikiConference. The > amount of volunteer effort which goes into these is not funny. I think > around 5000 edits worth of effort of mine went into the Conference. > > WikiConference India 2011 proved to be beyond the resources of Mumbai > wikipedians alone. If they have bid for Wikimania 2013, can they > assure the Indian wikipedian community that they can tackle this even > larger event without extensive external help when they could not > tackle the smaller? > > If Indian editors are supposed to all join in loyally to support > Mumbai should it win the bid, isn't it right that Mumbai ask the > community's opinion at large first before bidding instead of taking it > for granted that Indian volunteers will pitch in when needed? > > I do not grudge supporting Mumbai, I identify strongly with it and > will do whatever I can do to help those wonderful guys, but I strongly > feel that this light hearted attitude to such serious subjects in fact > takes the rest of the Indian community for granted. > > My own personal take is let this opportunity go. Let us have > WikiConferences 2012 and 2013 and bid instead for Wikimania 2014 and > that year we should not have a WikiConference. 2013 is too early. The > need of the hour is building strong Indian wikipedias and communities > not hosting foreigners. > > Warm regards, > > Ashwin Baindur > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Béria Lima <berial...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Since we have not one, but two bids from India, I think that is > important > > to be announced here (I would rather prefer if all of you could work > > together in a single bid, but if is not possible, at least list both > under > > the right section in the page) > > _____ > > Béria Lima > > (351) 925 171 484 > > > > Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter > livre > > acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir > > esse sonho. > > > > > > On 23 January 2012 23:15, Thomas Goldammer <tho...@googlemail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Dear all, > >> > >> I want to remind everyone to officially start a bid for the locale of > >> Wikimania 2013. All bids made so far are *unofficial* and cannot be > >> considered, as long as they are not in the list of official bids on > >> this page: > >> > >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013_bids > >> > >> The possibility to make an official bid closes at ***January 28, 23:59 > >> UTC***, this is in less than five days! So hurry up if you want > >> Wikimania to happen at your place. :) > >> > >> Note that you then have two more months to make your actual bid (and > >> one more month to refine it). You don't need to have everything > >> completely ready by now, so don't worry. :) For now, just create the > >> bid page and list it under "Official bids". Please don't forget to > >> list your organizing team members on the bid page. (All of them should > >> enable their email function on the Meta wiki, so that we can reach all > >> of you easily.) > >> > >> On behalf of the jury > >> Thomas. > >> (User:Thogo) > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> foundation-l mailing list > >> foundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >
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