Many thanks to everyone who responded to my earlier email - the comments were 
all very helpful to forming my thoughts prior to the conference. We're half way 
through at the moment and I thought it may be interesting to our supporters to 
hear some thoughts from the c&binet conference. 

The main output for me personally has been to improve the presentation we're 
putting together for the "Workplace Learning Lunches" seminar programmes - 
things like seeing attribution as a form of soft advertising and saying new 
forces are shaping business and they shouldn't be left behind. Understanding 
the corporate context is important to effectively link into that. More on that 
later, when we finish the draft, which I'll share with everyone and would 
appreciate everyone's comments. 

The other output has been in the people I've met. Particularly interesting was 
a conversation I had with the CEO of a leading UK technology infrastructure 
company, which has over 4,000 employees. They have implemented wikis on their 
intranet to capture employee suggestions, and have seen an enormous increase in 
take up over the past year. He's invited us to come and visit the company and 
see it working in action, and I very much look forward to taking him up on this 
offer, and possibly including the example in the seminars. 

Other interesting people include Joscelyn Upendran who works for Creative 
Commons and a young entrepreneur developing a user-generated search machine 
(wikia anyone?) 

I had an opportunity to ask a question during a "free content" session - which 
was more about "freemium" (free to paid) content - which hopefully planted the 
seed in the mind of people to hink about Wikimedia communities when looking at 

Other snippets: 

- Lord Mandelson's keynote at 9:40 tomorrow is billed to include a "big 
announcment" - possibly draft legislation on copyright enforcement . 

- Lots of talk from big business interests saying there is a "narrow 
legislative window of opportunity" at the moment (i.e. before the next general 

- David Lammy, the minister pushing through copyright reform, gave an excellent 
speech, very insightful and understanding of issues. Quote of the day from him: 
"Good artists copy, great artists steal". Either a very talented person or he 
has an excellent speechwriter! 

- For a "creative" conference focussing on new technologies it was remarkably 
lacking in opportunities for delegates to participate in asking questions etc - 
format is largely a panel discussing the issue among themselves. 

- SIon Simon, another politician present, mentioned that the copyright debate 
is highly polarised between the industry and free copyright advocates, both 
sides are deaf to the other and they need to engage. Despite this the 
discussions on copyright have been largely one sided, unbalanced, with some 
fairly extreme language used - "copyright warriors", "green ink brigade". "a 
generation of stealing" etc. 

- A few facts to promote donations to WMUK: "London is a leading creative hub 
of the world" (EU Commission Director General), "120,000 books published in UK 
every year", "creative industries comprise 6% of the economy" (largest % in the 
world), "creative industries larger than carmaking" 

- David Rowan (WiredUK): "Government should free data - postcodes, ordinance 

- "obscurity for some artists is a bigger challenge than piracy" 

- "we need a new settlement to liberate archived rights" 

- "we should have extended collective licensing" 

- "businesses spend huge effort in clearing licenses - need more effective ways 
of clearing large numbers of rights holders" 

- "copyright switches should be turned to "on" by default rather than "off"" 

- "working on a new digital license to allow museums to publish in-copyright 

- "free to air TV can survive, but only if it reduces its costs base" (creative 
commons / user generated content anyone?) 

- "licensing details should be included in the metadata" 

Comments, as always, appreciated. 



"Andrew Turvey" <> wrote: 
> From: "Andrew Turvey" <> 
> To: "WMUK-L" <> 
> Sent: Monday, 19 October, 2009 23:58:37 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, 
> Portugal 
> Subject: C&binet Forum 
> We've been invited to go along to a conference next week organized by the 
> Department for Culture, Media and Sport on "creative industries". Although we 
> made it clear to them that we are not-for-profit and a lot of the programme 
> is not particularly relevant, they were very keen to get us to go along, even 
> to the extent of giving us a free ticket. 
> The website is at and the agenda is: 
> * Access to finance for creative industries: What do creative businesses need 
> to do to attract investment and demonstrate reliability of future cash flow? 
> How do you tackle the lack of understanding between investors and creative 
> * New business models for online content: How can a viable business be made 
> out of online content without relying on advertising? 
> * Developing Talent: What can be done to create opportunities for the next 
> generation of creative talent? How can creative businesses make sure 
> tomorrow’s employees have the right skills to thrive? 
> * Securing creative rights: How best to ensure that those who generate and 
> fund creative product are able to secure its value? Both regulatory and 
> non-regulatory methods will be examined. 
> Some of these things are clearly not relevant for us but some - "securing 
> creative rights" and "new business models" - are issues that we may wish to 
> have input into. There are also likely to be some big hitters there who we 
> would be interested in partnering with in the future, including senior people 
> from companies like Spotify, BBC Vision and Wired UK. Peter Mandelson is a 
> keynote speaker, which could be an important opportunity to put the case for 
> public domain to a key decision maker. 
> My question: what should I focus on at this conference and what should I aim 
> to get out of it? 
> Any thoughts appreciated. 
> Andrew 
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