Has anyone been in touch with User:jbmurray regarding his use of Wikipedia in academia?
I know he's not in the UK, but it may be useful to put curious or interested UK academics in touch with him. I suspect he could highlight a lot of things to avoid, plus extol the educational virtues of getting students to contribute. On Sun, 2011-06-05 at 14:07 +0100, Roger Bamkin wrote: > Tom, WSC > > Be Bold if you have time. > > @Tom .... would the OU Do this for us? I could see it as a > supplemental module to a number of courses. > > regards > Roger > > > On 3 June 2011 22:11, Thomas Morton <[email protected]> > wrote: > This is an interesting line of thought. > > > I think a lot could be done with local experts. > > > I've been talking to my OU lecturer about this and they strike > me as another good avenue for doing adult/expert education of > Wikipedia. > > > Tom > > > > On 3 June 2011 16:52, Roger Bamkin <[email protected]> > wrote: > So we need a lead person or project. > > Anything that (in time) would have a broader effect > than a single evening course would I believe get a > good hearing for seed funding/ support > > Anyone? > Roger B > > > > On 3 June 2011 14:48, WereSpielChequers > <[email protected]> wrote: > My Mum is active in her local branch of the > University of the third > age, they struck me as a perfect partner for > such an evening course. > Especially if the UK chapter were to offer the > U3A a grant for hiring > in approved Wikipedians to deliver said > course. > > But please call it something other than > "creating your own wiki page". > Aside from winding up the deletionists, that > risks letting people > think they own a page, or that they can create > a page about them. Your > hobby/profession/neighbourhood and Wikipedia > would be OK, someone else > will I hope come up with something snazzier. > > But this definitely has legs. > > We could also make use of a photographers > version to explain commons > to local photography clubs. > > WereSpielChequers > > On 1 June 2011 22:36, Roger Bamkin > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Two minor threads: Martin Poulter and I > discussed how we could put together > > a teaching plan so that someone like > yourself could organise an enevening > > course in "creating your own wiki page" ... > not sure whether Martin made any > > progress. I know he was investigating ... I > suspect there are a lot of > > people who would like to put their local > history work into Wikipedia ... if > > we just explained it and demo ed it at the > same time. > > > > Other thread. I teach secondary ICT. I'm > planning to teach intro to Wiki > > editting next week. I have still to find > some resources. Any help > > appreciated. > > > > regards > > Roger B > > > > On 1 June 2011 17:34, Alex Stinson > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> There is an education list > >> > at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education which appears to > >> be one of the better ways to contact people > because not everyone regularly > >> checks outreach wiki (including myself). I > invite people to join who want to > >> work with Education and Wikimedia projects, > it include a fair number of > >> Campus Ambassadors who are doing innovative > stuff at universities as well as > >> a number of other people in various > chapters involved in education stuffs, > >> Alex > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Thomas > Morton > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hey Alex, > >>> Yes a lot of that has been my starting > point. FWIW there is a lack of > >>> content for the younger age groups (say > 14-16) which is where my current > >>> focus is; the "beginner" guides are more > suited (at least in my experience > >>> of teaching) to older students. I'd also > like to see some more material on > >>> the goals/ideals of Wikipedia (as that > seems a better start point before > >>> leaping into account creation :)). > >>> > >>> Also I noticed that a lot of the focus is > on editing or contributing > >>> Wikipedia. I've approached this from a > slightly different perspective - > >>> which is that most of the kids I will be > talking to aren't interested in > >>> writing (and probably aren't yet capable > of doing so) a Wikipedia article. > >>> On the other hand I aim to teach them > about using WP as a resource (and the > >>> potential pitfalls) as well as trying to > get them to treat it with respect > >>> (i.e. quit the vandalism). > >>> Is there a place on Outreach where > discussion of education/teaching > >>> materials is happening? > >>> Tom > >>> On 1 June 2011 17:15, Alex Stinson > <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> "High school professors." Yikes! Meant > teachers, not professors. I > >>>> thought I fixed that in a second read. > Been working with universities for > >>>> too long. > >>>> Tom, that sounds like something that > could really use some development > >>>> in the way of documented techniques or > presenting the information. You may > >>>> want to check out the stuff on the > Wikimedia Foundation bookshelf project > >>>> for materials you can destribute instead > of making all of them yourself > >>>> > (http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf). We > also have been developing > >>>> a fair amount of stuff at the education > portal on outreach, though still a > >>>> work in progress > (http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education). Alot > has > >>>> already been developed in fairly > professional ways, it just needs to be > >>>> applied in the class room, > >>>> Alex > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Thomas > Morton > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Chris, > >>>>> Yes, that was my impression too - I have > some ideas/proposals to try > >>>>> and bring into play but didn't want to > step on top of an active project that > >>>>> I'd missed :P > >>>>> I'm based in Lincolnshire. > >>>>> > >>>>> Alex, > >>>>> I've been keeping a close eye on the > Ambassadors project - it looks > >>>>> like some great work (yet another reason > to wish I was a student again :)). > >>>>> Expanding that into schools is a major > project, but one that I think would > >>>>> net us some massive gains long term. I'd > be really interested in hearing > >>>>> about your work with the high school > professors. > >>>>> In general: > >>>>> I've been interested in education for a > while; I'm a scout leader here > >>>>> & my parents have their own business > doing educational visits to schools on > >>>>> the topic of astronomy (so I have fairly > extensive experience of that sort > >>>>> of "business model"). The reason I have > a specific interest now is that I've > >>>>> been approached to look at doing an > evening class on computers and the > >>>>> internet at a local secondary school. > One of the topics I want to cover is > >>>>> Wikipedia and WP editing. > >>>>> I could put together some teaching > material & release it for others to > >>>>> use on an ad-hoc basis, but I think > there is loads more we could expand into > >>>>> if WMUK were behind it - stuff like > working with the teaching bodies to get > >>>>> WP recognised as a resource, and perhaps > even worked into the curriculum (at > >>>>> the very least work with them to provide > useful material for > >>>>> teachers/students about Wikipedia). In > fact, something like the training > >>>>> events Cancer Research people (but for > teachers) would be really interesting > >>>>> to explore. > >>>>> Another off-hand idea; it would be great > to try and team up with some > >>>>> of the GLAM institutions to run > educational days (i.e. have groups of kids > >>>>> turn up to learn about stuff using local > and Wikipedia content, and to get > >>>>> an introduction to Wikipedia). > >>>>> And more; we could use WMUK resources to > train up and support Wikipedia > >>>>> volunteers who want to go into the > classroom - because teaching kids can be > >>>>> damned hard! > >>>>> There's a lot to focus on, but I think > it is one of our most important > >>>>> outreach areas in the UK. > >>>>> Tom > >>>>> > >>>>> On 1 June 2011 16:40, Chris Keating > <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think it's been hibernating for a > while. I haven't heard it > >>>>>> mentioned at all since the new Board > took office. > >>>>>> Of course, if someone wants to pick up > the ball and run with it, that > >>>>>> would be very welcome. Whereabouts are > you, Tom? > >>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>> Chris > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas > Morton > >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hey all, > >>>>>>> What is the status of our work with > >>>>>>> > schools/education? > http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project seems > >>>>>>> to be a little stagnant, there are > references to other School interactions > >>>>>>> on the Wiki (including a link to a > hidden office page about the educational > >>>>>>> budget). > >>>>>>> Is any of this still active? > >>>>>>> I only ask because I've been > approached locally to do some in-school > >>>>>>> work relating to Wikipedia and it > occurred to me that this is a major area > >>>>>>> we could be focusing on. > >>>>>>> I've got a decent amount of experience > working with children, schools > >>>>>>> and educators and it would be great to > contribute that on a wider scale. > >>>>>>> If none of those projects are > particularly active, would anyone be > >>>>>>> interested in working on this > (including volunteering to go into schools and > >>>>>>> youth groups)? > >>>>>>> Tom / ErrantX > >>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list > >>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>> > > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > >>>>>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list > >>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>> > > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > >>>>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> > > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > >>>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> > > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > >>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> Wikimedia UK mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> > > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > >>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > >>> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia UK mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> > > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Roger Bamkin > > (aka Victuallers) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia UK mailing list > > [email protected] > > > > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > [email protected] > > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > > > > -- > Roger Bamkin > (aka Victuallers) > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > > > > -- > Roger Bamkin > (aka Victuallers) > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Brian McNeil. -- [email protected] | Wikinews Accredited Reporter. http://en.wikinews.org | http://www.wikinewsie.org "Facts don't cease to be facts, but news ceases to be news". _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list [email protected] http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
