Thanks Andy. We aren't talking about Wikipedia guidelines though, we're talking about recommended guidelines put together for the PR industry by the CIPR, Wikipedians and Wikimedia UK on how Wikipedia works and how to interact with it. I think the approach that the CIPR and WMUK took on this issue was a sensible one, there was an effort to reach a consensus and plenty of people got involved in the discussion, coming at the discussion from many different perspectives.
Thanks, Stevie On 15 November 2012 12:19, Andy Mabbett <pigsotw...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm ambivalent about the CIPR guidelines; I'm concerned about how often I > see the Wikipedia guidelines misrepresented. > > -- > Andy Mabbett > @pigsonthewing > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk > On Nov 15, 2012 11:40 AM, "Stevie Benton" <stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk> > wrote: > >> Do you think that's a bad thing Andy? >> >> On 15 November 2012 11:36, Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the additional info; I'm familiar with the history. My >>> point is that - for whatever reason - the CIPR guidelines are stricter >>> than Wikipedia's own, and we need to be mindful of that. >>> >>> On 15 November 2012 10:58, Stevie Benton <stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk> >>> wrote: >>> > Thanks for your email Andy. I've already requested they correct that >>> error. >>> > >>> > With regards to your point about COI editing - the guidelines the CIPR >>> refer >>> > to were developed with WMUK, some Wikipedians and some people from >>> CIPR and >>> > PRCA. The development took place on the WMUK Wiki and was widely >>> shared and >>> > people were encouraged to participate. >>> > >>> > Regardless of whether there is a total prohibition on editing article >>> spaces >>> > directly in EN:WP policy, we have seen (many, many times) that when PR >>> > professionals directly edit article space bad things happen. Even if >>> edits >>> > are benign and factual, if it comes to light that they were made >>> directly by >>> > PRs acting on behalf of a client, nobody wins and a COI is >>> automatically >>> > assumed by many. It's not good for trust in Wikipedia, it's not good >>> for the >>> > PR industry and it's not good for their clients. >>> > >>> > If you'd like some more background on the development of the guidance, >>> a >>> > good place to start is at >>> > >>> http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Draft_best_practice_guidelines_for_PR >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > >>> > Stevie >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 15 November 2012 10:51, Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> On 15 November 2012 10:09, Stevie Benton < >>> stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > PR Week have published another story on this - >>> >> > >>> http://www.prweek.com/uk/news/1159715/wikipedia-defends-editing-processes-following-finsbury-clean-up/ >>> >> >>> >> They have you as "Wikipedia [with a "p"] UK comms organiser". is >>> >> suspect we may never win that battle. >>> >> >>> >> I note that it is claimed (and I don't doubt) that the "CIPR [...] >>> >> guidance for PROs [is that] they should not directly edit Wikipedia >>> >> pages relating to their organisation or a client". I should like >>> >> people to be mindful that that's not what en.Wikipedia's CoI guidance >>> >> says; there has never been consensus for a total prohibition (though I >>> >> acknowledge that some feel strongly that there should be). >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Andy Mabbett >>> >> @pigsonthewing >>> >> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>> >> wikimediau...@wikimedia.org >>> >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>> >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > >>> > Stevie Benton >>> > Communications Organiser >>> > Wikimedia UK >>> > +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 >>> > @StevieBenton >>> > >>> > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England >>> and >>> > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. 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