No, splitting it into multiple lists as it exist now are perfectly fine.
On 19 June 2013 17:42, Rod Ward <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Katie,**** > > ** ** > > Thanks – I guess I will be going through the Somerset ones when I get some > time.**** > > ** ** > > Does it matter that a county (ie Somerset) has too many entries to fit on > one list?**** > > ** ** > > Rod**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Katie Chan [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* 19 June 2013 17:21 > *To:* Rod Ward > *Cc:* WLM 2013 UK mailing list; Wikimediauk-l > *Subject:* Re: [Wlm2013-l] Lists of UK listed buildings**** > > ** ** > > Unless as a research project, someone go through every entries to see what > each particular listing covers and count manually, no one have the answer > to how many independent buildings or structures are listed. That's why the > heritage organisations talks about listed building entries instead, which > is also how I counted Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland.**** > > ** ** > > The template for England is particular crude and in need of improvement. > The headers are chosen based on what headers are on the various existing > lists so that changing to templates don't lose us any existing information. > Some of the headers, such as architect and date listed could probably do > with being made optional. I'll see about doing that unless someone beat me > to it. The UID (or HB number) field is essential for WLM as tagging an > upload with that is how we know an upload on Commons is eligible for the > competition so yes, that would need to be added. With the number, we can > also link directly to each individual entries page on English Heritage > (likewise for Scotland & Northern Ireland), instead of say Images of > England or some other website. The templates don't actually currently have > a separate column for references as I was having a little problem with > making template variables work inside a <ref> tag. I guess the solution > will be having to do it manually. Again, unless someone beat me to it, I'll > add that sometime.**** > > ** ** > > Katie**** > > ** ** > > On 19 June 2013 16:12, Rod Ward <[email protected]> wrote:**** > > Hi Katie,**** > > **** > > This looks as if you have done a tremendous amount of work.**** > > **** > > However I have some questions..**** > > When I created > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_I_listed_buildings_in_Somerset and its > 7 sub lists I was asked “How many listed buildings are there” as part of > various review processes - & even having studied all the source I can find > for year I can mot answer that. In Bath whole streets (of 30-50 buildings) > can be under one listing and yet in other examples the house may be one > listing, the walls several more and the fountain a listing on its own. > Therefore what figure should be put in the first “number” column on the > tracking table?**** > > **** > > **** > > If a list created some years ago (eg > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_I_listed_buildings_in_South_Somerset) > has references for each one which use Images of England, and was completed > before the National heritage list was available are you asking for an extra > column to be added with the NHLE Unique ID number?**** > > **** > > Do we need to include columns for architect and date list?**** > > **** > > Rod**** > > **** > > **** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Katie Chan > *Sent:* 19 June 2013 15:11 > *To:* WLM 2013 UK mailing list > *Cc:* Wikimediauk-l > *Subject:* [Wlm2013-l] Lists of UK listed buildings**** > > **** > > Hi all,**** > > **** > > One of the task that needs to be completed for WLM to happen is to have > exhaustive lists of all eligible listed buildings on Wikipedia, using > appropriately formed templates instead of wiki tables directly. To get > everyone going, I have created the templates[1], which everyone is of > course encouraged to improve.**** > > **** > > In terms of the actual lists themselves, I have created a tracking > table[2] so that everyone can see where we are and where work needs to be > done. All the columns should be fairly self explanatory, aside from the one > on images which is intended to track when someone has searched through > Commons & Wikipedia for existing images and added them to the respective > list. > > Except for Wales, where lists didn't exist before, you can navigate to the > existing lists from [3]. As you can see, I have made a start on at least > one counties per countries so that everyone can see what I envisage them > looking like[4]. You can find a copy of the source data for England[5], > Wales[6], Scotland[7] and Northern Ireland[8] at the respective links > provided. There's also PHP scripts for manipulation of geo-coordinates > (latitude/longitude) to[9] and from[10] OS grid references, and also one > for conversion between WGS-84 datum (as used by GPS) and OSGB-36 datum (as > used by the Ordnance Survey)[11]. They may come in useful for manipulation > of the source data when creating the lists. > > I should say here that the English list is brand new courtesy of English > Heritage who have recently completed a review of their licensing and > released the information where they previously declined to!**** > > **** > > Aside from making WLM happen, completing these lists would improve a lot > of the existing lists on Wikipedia or create new ones where they didn't > exist before. This is something that can be done by everyone as time > permits, whether that is mass converting the source data into templated > lists, a few minutes spent looking for existing images and adding them to a > list, or copyediting the generated list.**** > > **** > > Plese contribute when and where you can!**** > > **** > > Katie**** > > **** > > [1]: <https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:EH_listed_building_header>, < > https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:EH_listed_building_row>, < > https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Cadw_listed_building_header>, < > https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Cadw_listed_building_row>, < > https://en.wikipedia.org/HS_listed_building_header>, < > https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:HS_listed_building_row>, < > https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:NIEA_listed_building_header>, < > https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:NIEA_listed_building_row>.**** > > [2]: < > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013_in_the_United_Kingdom/planning/lists > >**** > > [3]: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listed_buildings_in_the_United_Kingdom > >**** > > [4]: < > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_I_listed_buildings_in_Isle_of_Wight>, > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_I_listed_buildings_in_Bridgend>, < > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_A_listed_buildings_in_East_Renfrewshire>, > < > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Grade_A_listed_buildings_in_County_Fermanagh > >**** > > [5]:< > https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org.uk/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnePnspksYOidG1DXzhscDFFSHFZOTNSd0NGakJNNlE#gid=0>, > < > https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org.uk/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnePnspksYOidG5MMU1lM0RwemZ1bmVVUnRyT3g0MGc#gid=0>, > < > http://data.gov.uk/data-requests/list-of-grade-i-and-ii-listed-buildings-in-england > >**** > > [6]: < > https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3ePnspksYOiV2YzSTlpNXFvc28/edit?usp=sharing>, > < > https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3ePnspksYOiN2VMbzFHcTk1SWM/edit?usp=sharing>, > <https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/listed_buildings_in_wales>**** > > [7]: < > https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org.uk/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnePnspksYOidE1nWWtRQURfTWxsc3pNaksyU0VMX0E#gid=0 > >**** > > [8]: < > https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org.uk/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnePnspksYOidHRORGNLaHR6WVJsZ2QxUEYxVVJBRkE#gid=0>, > < > https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org.uk/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnePnspksYOidF8tdjFBeER4QXRaa3I4bU5ZeW12eVE#gid=0 > >**** > > [9]: <http://pastie.org/private/uoljp6fge3rgf24fju3xug>**** > > [10]: <http://pastie.org/private/tojd2r3a7w4emiag46n1lw>**** > > [11]: <http://pastie.org/private/e32ndvonwgqofv9odduy4w>**** > > **** > > **** > > -- **** > > Katie Chan**** > > Volunteer Support Organiser**** > > Wikimedia UK**** > > +44 (0) 20 7065 0990**** > > +44 (0) 7885 980 534**** > > **** > > Wikimedia UK is a Charitable Company registered in England and Wales.**** > > Registered Company No. 6741827. 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