Solid work Katie and this should establish a base. The data isnt perfect but as least you have probably got the best available. Without that you could have just been recreating what was already in a database somewhere.
Nice to see that English Heritage are revising their access rules. I guess some wag would say that if they gave us permission we might be able to improve the data and write it back for the common benefit (one day?). I guess if the stuff gets geotagged then it might reveal where 3 walls of a building, the entrance gates and a statue all have individual entries whilst the mansion next door has only one. However the value of these datasets are not in their precision but in the breadth. Well done R On 20 June 2013 00:22, WereSpielChequers <[email protected]>wrote: > Nice work, but as the WLM images will be going onto Coommons you also need > a column for the relevant commons category, otherwise how are you going to > correctly categorise the uploaded images? > > Jonathan > > On 19 June 2013 19:41, Katie Chan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> No, splitting it into multiple lists as it exist now are perfectly fine. >> >> >> On 19 June 2013 17:42, Rod Ward <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Katie,**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Thanks – I guess I will be going through the Somerset ones when I get >>> some time.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Does it matter that a county (ie Somerset) has too many entries to fit >>> on one list?**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Rod**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* Katie Chan [mailto:[email protected]] >>> *Sent:* 19 June 2013 17:21 >>> *To:* Rod Ward >>> *Cc:* WLM 2013 UK mailing list; Wikimediauk-l >>> *Subject:* Re: [Wlm2013-l] Lists of UK listed buildings**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Unless as a research project, someone go through every entries to see >>> what each particular listing covers and count manually, no one have the >>> answer to how many independent buildings or structures are listed. That's >>> why the heritage organisations talks about listed building entries instead, >>> which is also how I counted Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> The template for England is particular crude and in need of improvement. >>> The headers are chosen based on what headers are on the various existing >>> lists so that changing to templates don't lose us any existing information. >>> Some of the headers, such as architect and date listed could probably do >>> with being made optional. I'll see about doing that unless someone beat me >>> to it. The UID (or HB number) field is essential for WLM as tagging an >>> upload with that is how we know an upload on Commons is eligible for the >>> competition so yes, that would need to be added. With the number, we can >>> also link directly to each individual entries page on English Heritage >>> (likewise for Scotland & Northern Ireland), instead of say Images of >>> England or some other website. The templates don't actually currently have >>> a separate column for references as I was having a little problem with >>> making template variables work inside a <ref> tag. I guess the solution >>> will be having to do it manually. Again, unless someone beat me to it, I'll >>> add that sometime.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Katie**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On 19 June 2013 16:12, Rod Ward <[email protected]> wrote:**** >>> >>> Hi Katie,**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> This looks as if you have done a tremendous amount of work.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> However I have some questions..**** >>> >>> When I created >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_I_listed_buildings_in_Somerset and >>> its 7 sub lists I was asked “How many listed buildings are there” as part >>> of various review processes - & even having studied all the source I can >>> find for year I can mot answer that. In Bath whole streets (of 30-50 >>> buildings) can be under one listing and yet in other examples the house may >>> be one listing, the walls several more and the fountain a listing on its >>> own. Therefore what figure should be put in the first “number” column on >>> the tracking table?**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> If a list created some years ago (eg >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_I_listed_buildings_in_South_Somerset) >>> has references for each one which use Images of England, and was completed >>> before the National heritage list was available are you asking for an extra >>> column to be added with the NHLE Unique ID number?**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Do we need to include columns for architect and date list?**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Rod**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Katie Chan >>> *Sent:* 19 June 2013 15:11 >>> *To:* WLM 2013 UK mailing list >>> *Cc:* Wikimediauk-l >>> *Subject:* [Wlm2013-l] Lists of UK listed buildings**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Hi all,**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> One of the task that needs to be completed for WLM to happen is to have >>> exhaustive lists of all eligible listed buildings on Wikipedia, using >>> appropriately formed templates instead of wiki tables directly. To get >>> everyone going, I have created the templates[1], which everyone is of >>> course encouraged to improve.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> In terms of the actual lists themselves, I have created a tracking >>> table[2] so that everyone can see where we are and where work needs to be >>> done. All the columns should be fairly self explanatory, aside from the one >>> on images which is intended to track when someone has searched through >>> Commons & Wikipedia for existing images and added them to the respective >>> list. >>> >>> Except for Wales, where lists didn't exist before, you can navigate to >>> the existing lists from [3]. As you can see, I have made a start on at >>> least one counties per countries so that everyone can see what I envisage >>> them looking like[4]. You can find a copy of the source data for >>> England[5], Wales[6], Scotland[7] and Northern Ireland[8] at the respective >>> links provided. There's also PHP scripts for manipulation of >>> geo-coordinates (latitude/longitude) to[9] and from[10] OS grid references, >>> and also one for conversion between WGS-84 datum (as used by GPS) and >>> OSGB-36 datum (as used by the Ordnance Survey)[11]. They may come in useful >>> for manipulation of the source data when creating the lists. >>> >>> I should say here that the English list is brand new courtesy of English >>> Heritage who have recently completed a review of their licensing and >>> released the information where they previously declined to!**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Aside from making WLM happen, completing these lists would improve a lot >>> of the existing lists on Wikipedia or create new ones where they didn't >>> exist before. This is something that can be done by everyone as time >>> permits, whether that is mass converting the source data into templated >>> lists, a few minutes spent looking for existing images and adding them to a >>> list, or copyediting the generated list.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Plese contribute when and where you can!**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Katie**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> [1]: <https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:EH_listed_building_header>, < >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:EH_listed_building_row>, < >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Cadw_listed_building_header>, < >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Cadw_listed_building_row>, < >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/HS_listed_building_header>, < >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:HS_listed_building_row>, < >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:NIEA_listed_building_header>, < >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:NIEA_listed_building_row>.**** >>> >>> [2]: < >>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013_in_the_United_Kingdom/planning/lists >>> >**** >>> >>> [3]: < >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listed_buildings_in_the_United_Kingdom>*** >>> * >>> >>> [4]: < >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_I_listed_buildings_in_Isle_of_Wight>, >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_I_listed_buildings_in_Bridgend>, < >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_A_listed_buildings_in_East_Renfrewshire>, >>> < >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Grade_A_listed_buildings_in_County_Fermanagh >>> >**** >>> >>> [5]:< >>> https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org.uk/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnePnspksYOidG1DXzhscDFFSHFZOTNSd0NGakJNNlE#gid=0>, >>> < >>> https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org.uk/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnePnspksYOidG5MMU1lM0RwemZ1bmVVUnRyT3g0MGc#gid=0>, >>> < >>> http://data.gov.uk/data-requests/list-of-grade-i-and-ii-listed-buildings-in-england >>> >**** >>> >>> [6]: < >>> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3ePnspksYOiV2YzSTlpNXFvc28/edit?usp=sharing>, >>> < >>> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3ePnspksYOiN2VMbzFHcTk1SWM/edit?usp=sharing>, >>> <https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/listed_buildings_in_wales>**** >>> >>> [7]: < >>> https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org.uk/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnePnspksYOidE1nWWtRQURfTWxsc3pNaksyU0VMX0E#gid=0 >>> >**** >>> >>> [8]: < >>> https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org.uk/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnePnspksYOidHRORGNLaHR6WVJsZ2QxUEYxVVJBRkE#gid=0>, >>> < >>> https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org.uk/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnePnspksYOidF8tdjFBeER4QXRaa3I4bU5ZeW12eVE#gid=0 >>> >**** >>> >>> [9]: <http://pastie.org/private/uoljp6fge3rgf24fju3xug>**** >>> >>> [10]: <http://pastie.org/private/tojd2r3a7w4emiag46n1lw>**** >>> >>> [11]: <http://pastie.org/private/e32ndvonwgqofv9odduy4w>**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> -- **** >>> >>> Katie Chan**** >>> >>> Volunteer Support Organiser**** >>> >>> Wikimedia UK**** >>> >>> +44 (0) 20 7065 0990**** >>> >>> +44 (0) 7885 980 534**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Wikimedia UK is a Charitable Company registered in England and Wales.*** >>> * >>> >>> Registered Company No. 6741827. 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