Nice work, but as the WLM images will be going onto Coommons you also need a column for the relevant commons category, otherwise how are you going to correctly categorise the uploaded images?
Jonathan On 19 June 2013 19:41, Katie Chan <[email protected]> wrote: > No, splitting it into multiple lists as it exist now are perfectly fine. > > > On 19 June 2013 17:42, Rod Ward <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Katie,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks – I guess I will be going through the Somerset ones when I get >> some time.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Does it matter that a county (ie Somerset) has too many entries to fit on >> one list?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Rod**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Katie Chan [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* 19 June 2013 17:21 >> *To:* Rod Ward >> *Cc:* WLM 2013 UK mailing list; Wikimediauk-l >> *Subject:* Re: [Wlm2013-l] Lists of UK listed buildings**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Unless as a research project, someone go through every entries to see >> what each particular listing covers and count manually, no one have the >> answer to how many independent buildings or structures are listed. That's >> why the heritage organisations talks about listed building entries instead, >> which is also how I counted Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The template for England is particular crude and in need of improvement. >> The headers are chosen based on what headers are on the various existing >> lists so that changing to templates don't lose us any existing information. >> Some of the headers, such as architect and date listed could probably do >> with being made optional. I'll see about doing that unless someone beat me >> to it. The UID (or HB number) field is essential for WLM as tagging an >> upload with that is how we know an upload on Commons is eligible for the >> competition so yes, that would need to be added. With the number, we can >> also link directly to each individual entries page on English Heritage >> (likewise for Scotland & Northern Ireland), instead of say Images of >> England or some other website. The templates don't actually currently have >> a separate column for references as I was having a little problem with >> making template variables work inside a <ref> tag. I guess the solution >> will be having to do it manually. Again, unless someone beat me to it, I'll >> add that sometime.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Katie**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On 19 June 2013 16:12, Rod Ward <[email protected]> wrote:**** >> >> Hi Katie,**** >> >> **** >> >> This looks as if you have done a tremendous amount of work.**** >> >> **** >> >> However I have some questions..**** >> >> When I created >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_I_listed_buildings_in_Somerset and >> its 7 sub lists I was asked “How many listed buildings are there” as part >> of various review processes - & even having studied all the source I can >> find for year I can mot answer that. In Bath whole streets (of 30-50 >> buildings) can be under one listing and yet in other examples the house may >> be one listing, the walls several more and the fountain a listing on its >> own. Therefore what figure should be put in the first “number” column on >> the tracking table?**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> If a list created some years ago (eg >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_I_listed_buildings_in_South_Somerset) >> has references for each one which use Images of England, and was completed >> before the National heritage list was available are you asking for an extra >> column to be added with the NHLE Unique ID number?**** >> >> **** >> >> Do we need to include columns for architect and date list?**** >> >> **** >> >> Rod**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Katie Chan >> *Sent:* 19 June 2013 15:11 >> *To:* WLM 2013 UK mailing list >> *Cc:* Wikimediauk-l >> *Subject:* [Wlm2013-l] Lists of UK listed buildings**** >> >> **** >> >> Hi all,**** >> >> **** >> >> One of the task that needs to be completed for WLM to happen is to have >> exhaustive lists of all eligible listed buildings on Wikipedia, using >> appropriately formed templates instead of wiki tables directly. To get >> everyone going, I have created the templates[1], which everyone is of >> course encouraged to improve.**** >> >> **** >> >> In terms of the actual lists themselves, I have created a tracking >> table[2] so that everyone can see where we are and where work needs to be >> done. All the columns should be fairly self explanatory, aside from the one >> on images which is intended to track when someone has searched through >> Commons & Wikipedia for existing images and added them to the respective >> list. >> >> Except for Wales, where lists didn't exist before, you can navigate to >> the existing lists from [3]. As you can see, I have made a start on at >> least one counties per countries so that everyone can see what I envisage >> them looking like[4]. You can find a copy of the source data for >> England[5], Wales[6], Scotland[7] and Northern Ireland[8] at the respective >> links provided. There's also PHP scripts for manipulation of >> geo-coordinates (latitude/longitude) to[9] and from[10] OS grid references, >> and also one for conversion between WGS-84 datum (as used by GPS) and >> OSGB-36 datum (as used by the Ordnance Survey)[11]. They may come in useful >> for manipulation of the source data when creating the lists. >> >> I should say here that the English list is brand new courtesy of English >> Heritage who have recently completed a review of their licensing and >> released the information where they previously declined to!**** >> >> **** >> >> Aside from making WLM happen, completing these lists would improve a lot >> of the existing lists on Wikipedia or create new ones where they didn't >> exist before. This is something that can be done by everyone as time >> permits, whether that is mass converting the source data into templated >> lists, a few minutes spent looking for existing images and adding them to a >> list, or copyediting the generated list.**** >> >> **** >> >> Plese contribute when and where you can!**** >> >> **** >> >> Katie**** >> >> **** >> >> [1]: <https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:EH_listed_building_header>, < >> https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:EH_listed_building_row>, < >> https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Cadw_listed_building_header>, < >> https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:Cadw_listed_building_row>, < >> https://en.wikipedia.org/HS_listed_building_header>, < >> https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:HS_listed_building_row>, < >> https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:NIEA_listed_building_header>, < >> https://en.wikipedia.org/Template:NIEA_listed_building_row>.**** >> >> [2]: < >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013_in_the_United_Kingdom/planning/lists >> >**** >> >> [3]: < >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listed_buildings_in_the_United_Kingdom>**** >> >> [4]: < >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_I_listed_buildings_in_Isle_of_Wight>, >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_I_listed_buildings_in_Bridgend>, < >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_A_listed_buildings_in_East_Renfrewshire>, >> < >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Grade_A_listed_buildings_in_County_Fermanagh >> >**** >> >> [5]:< >> https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org.uk/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnePnspksYOidG1DXzhscDFFSHFZOTNSd0NGakJNNlE#gid=0>, >> < >> https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org.uk/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnePnspksYOidG5MMU1lM0RwemZ1bmVVUnRyT3g0MGc#gid=0>, >> < >> http://data.gov.uk/data-requests/list-of-grade-i-and-ii-listed-buildings-in-england >> >**** >> >> [6]: < >> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3ePnspksYOiV2YzSTlpNXFvc28/edit?usp=sharing>, >> < >> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3ePnspksYOiN2VMbzFHcTk1SWM/edit?usp=sharing>, >> <https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/listed_buildings_in_wales>**** >> >> [7]: < >> https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org.uk/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnePnspksYOidE1nWWtRQURfTWxsc3pNaksyU0VMX0E#gid=0 >> >**** >> >> [8]: < >> https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org.uk/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnePnspksYOidHRORGNLaHR6WVJsZ2QxUEYxVVJBRkE#gid=0>, >> < >> https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org.uk/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnePnspksYOidF8tdjFBeER4QXRaa3I4bU5ZeW12eVE#gid=0 >> >**** >> >> [9]: <http://pastie.org/private/uoljp6fge3rgf24fju3xug>**** >> >> [10]: <http://pastie.org/private/tojd2r3a7w4emiag46n1lw>**** >> >> [11]: <http://pastie.org/private/e32ndvonwgqofv9odduy4w>**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> -- **** >> >> Katie Chan**** >> >> Volunteer Support Organiser**** >> >> Wikimedia UK**** >> >> +44 (0) 20 7065 0990**** >> >> +44 (0) 7885 980 534**** >> >> **** >> >> Wikimedia UK is a Charitable Company registered in England and Wales.**** >> >> Registered Company No. 6741827. 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